Moderation Questions and General Chat Thread
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic failed, and it became a general discussion thread with almost no moderation related posts at all. And those that were posted were so buried in non-mod posts that it became a huge time drain on the mods to sort through them. Then, when off topic posts were deleted posters complained about that.
This led to the closing of the mod discussion thread, replaced by the post report/pm approach. This has filtered out lots of noise, but has resulted at times in the General Discussion Thread turning into a quasi-mod thread. This is not desirable, but going back to the old mod thread is also not a workable option.
Therefore, I have created this new moderation thread, but with a different purpose and ground rules than previous mod threads. The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for posters to pose questions to the mods about how policies are applied; to bring to the mods attention posts they think are inappropriate and reach the level of requiring mod action; and for mods to communicate to posters things like changes or clarifications to policies, bannings, etc.
Now let me tell you what this thread is NOT a place for. It is not for nonmoderation related posts, even if the discussion originates from a comment in in a mod related post. It is not for posters to post their opinions about other posters or whether a poster should be banned. It is not to rehash past grievances about mod decisions from months or years ago. The focus of this thread will be recent posts that require action now. Or questions about current policies and enforcement.
So basically, this is a thread to ask mods questions. Which means, pretty much that only mods should be answering those questions. If a poster asks why a particular post was deleted or allowed, only a mod can answer that. Everyone else who wants to jump in with their opinion or their mod war story needs to stay out of it. It just increases the noise to signal ratio and does nothing to answer the question.
Everyone needs to understand that this thread has very different rules than the old mod thread and any other thread. Any non-moderation post will be deleted on sight. Not moved to the appropriate thread, just deleted. So don't waste your time crafting a masterpiece post about wars or transgender issues or the presidential election and then post it in this thread. It will be gone. Also, this isnt a thread for general commentary about our mods performance. Posting "browser sucks as a mod" or any such posts that don't actually ask about a policy or request a mod action will be deleted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the moderation of this forum. But this thread isnt for complaining about mods. You are free to go to the ATF forum and make your concerns about modding in this forum there.
So with that intro, this thread is open for those who need to bring questions about mod policies or bring inappropriate posts to the mods attention. Again, it is NOT a thread for group discussions about other posters or for other posters to answer questions directed to mods.
We'll see how this goes. If you have what you feel is an open issue raised in the General Discussion Thread, please copy that post or otherwise reintroduce the issue here.
Thanks.
The mods here have been modding for him in that thread, and its undeniable true, and just because the thread doesn't exist, doesn't mean the evidence doesn't exist.
I was not involved in any thread deletion so I actually don't know what you're talking about. And I'm definitely not modding the Ukraine/Russia thread the way that BGP wants. He has made many requests for moderation that I haven't done (generally regarding Victor), and I don't actually think he even reported any of your posts (which is how he makes his requests, just as every other poster can do).
Maybe don't ask ridiculous questions then? Nobody is doing some inspection of whether kids are in the "set" or not if their parents raise them in a non-binary way. These kids - any kids - are welcome to be part of any pride parade.
I would suggest some deep reflection on why this "question" is of importance to you. Ideally far away from an internet connection.
You see this is soft modding a thread, and its also calling STRAIGHT attention to me psyche.
I asked a very reasonable question from a philosophy standpoint. It should NEVER be that such a question is deemed 'unworthy' we should never be dismissive to people in this way.
I was not involved in any thread deletion so I actually don't know what you're talking about.
When you said this you were thinking of the existence of the thread that is nuked right? That you weren't involved in moderation of that thread, over the last year. And I'm not accusing you of it, but just pointing out to you the scope.
I posted VALID sources. And you gave a warning about it.
I know you aren't aware, but the thread that got disappeared was FULL of invalid twitter sources making ridiculous claims from BGP and those were NOT getting mod by your requests of us only posting sources claims.
You mod me, you don't mod BGP on this.
I'm not thinking of any particular thread because I don't know what thread is being referenced. I can assure you that I have given much less brain space to these threads than you have, so I really don't know what you're talking about even if I was directly involved.
I'm not thinking of any particular thread because I don't know what thread is being referenced. I can assure you that I have given much less brain space to these threads than you have, so I really don't know what you're talking about even if I was directly involved.
Thats my point to.
Can you pay attention to me so crossnerd doesn't have to. And give me time outs instead of banning me when I'm too frustrating for you?
Not asking for a lot of effort, I'm asking for you to not mod me out of context always.
Thats my point to.
Can you pay attention to me so crossnerd doesn't have to. And give me time outs instead of banning me when I'm too frustrating for you?
Not asking for a lot of effort, I'm asking for you to not mod me out of context always.
I only once gave you an infraction (it was a 0-point warning in August 2023). I don't recall ever banning you and don't see that I left a mod note on your profile which I would typically do when banning. It's a real stretch to say I'm over-modding you.
Jbouton, can I suggest we move this from the thread to PMs? I'm here to listen if you'd like to PM me. Its probably a healthier environment. ♥
I only once gave you an infraction (it was a 0-point warning in August 2023). I don't recall ever banning you and don't see that I left a mod note on your profile which I would typically do when banning. It's a real stretch to say I'm over-modding you.
When you say you have never modded me or only once do you see how I feel thats untrue?
I am busy but will try to moderate this thread more closely for a while. Insinuating that BGP controls this thread in some way is false and not allowed. Saying that Russia was provoked into invading Ukraine is false and not allowed, short of some new facts or actual intelligent analysis. To JBouton more specifically, making posts which continually hint at some argument but never make the argument is akin to trolling in my view as you aren't
Infants can neither express gender identity nor have understanding of their own gender, so this smells like a troll post.
See you are going to say that a mod that makes these posts against me, who claims to never over mod me, and doesn't know what soft modding is, wasn't threatening me with moderation, when you said "it smells like a troll post". You maybe just meant like a funny troll post, not one that you are in the process of judging as a mod.
Ok, I think I understand what you mean when you say "soft moderate". Friend, I understand your frustration, but it might help to remember that mods are posters too, and we can't exactly turn our green name off for when we want to just make posts as posters. Sometimes we'll disagree with posters just as fellow posters. I really suggest that maybe shifting your perspective to more of a place where moderations aren't meant to be punitive, and we're more like trail guides just trying to keep our group together with minor corrections when someone gets into the weeds. I don't think anyone here has it out for you, not ganstaman or the mods, and I hope you can feel going forward a little less bothered with the occasional bump ins with mods. Again, I'm here and will listen if you'd like to message when things are feeling this way for you. ♥
I'm not sure what you're meaning here, but here's what I do when I think there's confusion about my post - I explain/elaborate.
My point is that your original question was pretty silly, or very poorly worded, or both. So I don't see his post as a "recharacterization that is intended to make me look bad", but an interpretation of a silly and/or poorly worded question that makes you look no worse.
I have a history for being snapped banned after a mod says something like 'this smells like a troll post'. I also have history with ganstaman where they mod me unfairly. So my assumption here is GM was zeroing in on me again. I still feel thats true.
It's certainly your choice whether you want to assume a mod is out to get you and reply as if he is, or simply clarify your point in a meaningfully way, but choosing the former isn't going to lead to very productive conversation.
I'm suggesting that Uke guards the thread. And any time someone starts a balanced discussion Uke unbalances it purposefully against the spirit of proper dialogue.
Guards the thread?? LOL.
You spend a lot of your time trying to police how people should be allowed to reply. Not just here, and not just on this account, but elsewhere in these forums, and on past accounts of yours. Maybe you should just try engaging in conversations, and when people seem confused by your posts, reflect on whether you have a role to play in that confusion.
Do you feel like you said this in context or out of the context of the question?
I have a history for being snapped banned after a mod says something like 'this smells like a troll post'. I also have history with ganstaman where they mod me unfairly. So my assumption here is GM was zeroing in on me again. I still feel thats true.
I'm suggesting that Uke guards the thread. And any time someone starts a balanced discussion Uke unbalances
Your question could never result in a balanced discussion. No one wanted to discuss it, everyone thought it was a ridiculous question, and it wasn't because anyone misrepresented you.
Special shout out to the I/P thread. She's a superstar in that space too Lmao
I'm thinking of replacing the mayo in my tuna salad with guac.
Reported ^
You’re curious why a poster who gets banned for not following the rules is asking about clarification about the rules? In a thread about rules none the less
Are you sure you’re not trolling me?
Tbh if it’s not the rules then I find most requests to be unreasonable. I do not like made up rules.
If you plan to comply with ganstaman's request, it doesn't really matter. You won't get banned.
For reasons that I have never understood, there are a lot of people here who are keen to know exactly how big a jackass they can be without getting banned.
are you talking about yourself?
I agree, it does seem very jackassey to make up rules that arent rules and then ask people to follow the non rules
When you say you have never modded me or only once do you see how I feel thats untrue?
See you are going to say that a mod that makes these posts against me, who claims to never over mod me, and doesn't know what soft modding is, wasn't threatening me with moderation, when you said "it smells like a troll post". You maybe just meant like a funny troll post, not one that you are in the process of judging as a mod.
Seeing as we were told that there are special rules for interacting with you specifically, let me go ahead and say that you are SO SO SO smart. Everything you write is as clear as a sunny day in May! We are all blessed to be in the presence of somebody with such interesting ideas. To an outsider, your constant complaints about being unfairly targeted for moderation may scream "persecution complex", but here in Politics and Society 2024, we know better. I sincerely cannot wait to read more of your posts regarding this topic. Don't forget the old adage "Leave them wanting more... and giving it to them straight away!" Don't you dare even think about slowing down!
Love,
DonkJr 😀
Seeing as we were told that there are special rules for interacting with you specifically, let me go ahead and say that you are SO SO SO smart. Everything you write is as clear as a sunny day in May! We are all blessed to be in the presence of somebody with such interesting ideas. To an outsider, your constant complaints about being unfairly targeted for moderation may scream "persecution complex", but here in Politics and Society 2024,
Hi friend, so just to clarify something, every rule applies to every poster, as does the expectation that posters treat one another with a reasonable level of respect and personal dignity.
There is no one above or beneath the rules of decorum. Everyone here is a person who deserves to be treated like a unique and valuable member of this community.
I intend to moderate with the same guidelines of respect, dignity, and fairness.
