Moderation Questions and General Chat Thread
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic failed, and it became a general discussion thread with almost no moderation related posts at all. And those that were posted were so buried in non-mod posts that it became a huge time drain on the mods to sort through them. Then, when off topic posts were deleted posters complained about that.
This led to the closing of the mod discussion thread, replaced by the post report/pm approach. This has filtered out lots of noise, but has resulted at times in the General Discussion Thread turning into a quasi-mod thread. This is not desirable, but going back to the old mod thread is also not a workable option.
Therefore, I have created this new moderation thread, but with a different purpose and ground rules than previous mod threads. The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for posters to pose questions to the mods about how policies are applied; to bring to the mods attention posts they think are inappropriate and reach the level of requiring mod action; and for mods to communicate to posters things like changes or clarifications to policies, bannings, etc.
Now let me tell you what this thread is NOT a place for. It is not for nonmoderation related posts, even if the discussion originates from a comment in in a mod related post. It is not for posters to post their opinions about other posters or whether a poster should be banned. It is not to rehash past grievances about mod decisions from months or years ago. The focus of this thread will be recent posts that require action now. Or questions about current policies and enforcement.
So basically, this is a thread to ask mods questions. Which means, pretty much that only mods should be answering those questions. If a poster asks why a particular post was deleted or allowed, only a mod can answer that. Everyone else who wants to jump in with their opinion or their mod war story needs to stay out of it. It just increases the noise to signal ratio and does nothing to answer the question.
Everyone needs to understand that this thread has very different rules than the old mod thread and any other thread. Any non-moderation post will be deleted on sight. Not moved to the appropriate thread, just deleted. So don't waste your time crafting a masterpiece post about wars or transgender issues or the presidential election and then post it in this thread. It will be gone. Also, this isnt a thread for general commentary about our mods performance. Posting "browser sucks as a mod" or any such posts that don't actually ask about a policy or request a mod action will be deleted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the moderation of this forum. But this thread isnt for complaining about mods. You are free to go to the ATF forum and make your concerns about modding in this forum there.
So with that intro, this thread is open for those who need to bring questions about mod policies or bring inappropriate posts to the mods attention. Again, it is NOT a thread for group discussions about other posters or for other posters to answer questions directed to mods.
We'll see how this goes. If you have what you feel is an open issue raised in the General Discussion Thread, please copy that post or otherwise reintroduce the issue here.
Thanks.
You said “Jews will not replace us” isn’t a dangerous ideology for society
And being international, most countries in the world have majorities which adamantly profess an inherent cultural superiority of their own country.
No, no, no they don't. The only way this could be true is if you, for instance, think all the 8-year-old French kids waving a French flag at the Olympics means they are reveling in the cultural superiority of their homeland.
Usually, you types are going on about how the WEF and globalists are trying to turn us into a one-world government. Suddenly, you think they're all based nationalists, seemingly all because you're sad about being temp-banned on 2p2.
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well the leader of that march is a pretty avowed Zionist
yes because it's the 0.0.1% of people saying that, with no political power at all, and mocked , criticized etc universally. It's like a drunk person in a bar saying he will assassinate the president.
Meanwhile the actual leftist antisemites are in actual power in many places, sometimes very near the top or at the top (like in Ireland and Spain). They have extremely powerful allies in universities. And so on.
And given my previous history talking about jews there was absolutely no way it could be construed as antisemitism coming from me. Absolutely no way at all. Incredible, undefensible reaction to ban me one month for that.
It was an escalating ban after you had already been banned previously numerous times for other posts involving racial bigotry.
The next one will be longer than a month or a perma. That’s how that works.
No, no, no they don't. The only way this could be true is if you, for instance, think all the 8-year-old French kids waving a French flag at the Olympics means they are reveling in the cultural superiority of their homeland.
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I didn't have France in mind
And the people polled include immigrants and/or people who aren't necessarily from that country culture in full (married with people from other cultures for example and so on).
That means that for people who have 4 grandparents of the same culture they identify with, and no other culture in their family, answer rates will be far higher
It was an escalating ban after you had already been banned previously numerous times for other posts involving racial bigotry.
The next one will be longer than a month or a perma. That’s how that works.
Considering a racist expression used by irrelevant people irrelevant (and so among other things, not dangerous) isn't racial bigotry in any way.
Using the racist card to censor anything you dislike that can vaguely be connected with race is not a neutral way to moderate a forum, it's the standard radical leftist way
The other mods wanted you banned for it too, I just got there first.
Maybe one of them can explain it to you. I’m tired.
The other mods wanted you banned for it too, I just got there first.
Maybe one of them can explain it to you. I’m tired.
You could have banned for the other stated reasons, still leftist but at least not a complete mockery of the process as it was when you mentioned antisemitism as well in the banning message, which was yes, actually, deeply offensive. Ban for "western supremacy", which is an insane rule to have (for the reasons stated above), but if you think that's the rules of these forums do that.
But antisemitism, me? really absurd
Again, you posted that “Jews will not replace us” isn’t a dangerous idea for society.
This shouldn’t need an explanation.
I am back from the ban but i am not sure i will be around much at this point tbh. Being banned for antisemitism after reporting antisemites for months and defending jews right to exist for months against people who actually side with Hamas actions and requests is kinda absurd, with radical leftist moderation i am not able to say something very simple and not particularly controversial among normal (ie non-leftists people) too many times.
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The bolded waters down what you actually said quite a bit. You went further than simply arguing that Western culture, or the culture of a specific country in the West, was superior. You said:
^ which was the other post referenced in your ban
It’s not the first time you have posted violent supremacist rhetoric, and it’s not appropriate for this forum.
yes because it's the 0.0.1% of people saying that, with no political power at all, and mocked , criticized etc universally. It's like a drunk person in a bar saying he will assassinate the president.
Meanwhile the actual leftist antisemites are in actual power in many places, sometimes very near the top or at the top (like in Ireland and Spain). They have extremely powerful allies in universities. And so on.
And given my previous history tal
Ah yes, those extremely powerful professors, the true masters of the universe.
Where are your words for the group that comprises the majority of the "elite", business owners/billionaires, who lean very heavily to the right on economic matters (mixed on social matters, but the former is far more important to this group).
For the record, advocating for a Palestinian state and criticizing the IDF's campaign of terror doesn't make one antisemitic. The "Jews will not replace us!" American reactionaries, on the other hand...
I didn't have France in mind
And the people polled include immigrants and/or people who aren't necessarily from that country culture in full (married with people from other cultures for example and so on).
That means that for people who have 4 grandparents of the same culture they identify with, and no other culture in their family, answer rates will be far higher
You said,
...most countries in the world have majorities which adamantly profess an inherent cultural superiority of their own country.
This image does not demonstrate the truth of that assertion, just by simple counting, not to mention the softer language used in the survey quoted than in your assertion.
Europe is the continent which is LESS nationalistic lol, check numbers in Asia or Africa for self assessed cultural superiority.
And even in Europe almost everywhere it is a mainstream opinion (30%+). So something which would be absurd to an or censor in a political forum (which is the point we should be discussing).
Stuff like Norway, the purportedly stellar example of Nordic civism, at 58% is very indicative of my point.
And asking if you consider your culture superior isn't a watered down version of what I wrote.
Considering your own culture superior to all others is normal and majoritarian among human beings. And not only is normal: it is fully reasonable, moral and so on.
And you know that but as every leftist you feel the need to deny objective reality for your narrative.
Already tired of being back tbh, time wasted with bad faith arguments
The bolded waters down what you actually said quite a bit. You went further than simply arguing that Western culture, or the culture of a specific country in the West, was superior. You said:
Yes so what's the idea, that it's a bannable offense to prefer the way geopolitics has been played during pax americana? That in this forum agreeing with CIA topping leaders, with wars used as punishment for misbehaving countries and so on, what the USA did regularly, is a bannable offense? We did have decades of a world order predicated on western supremacy and both major American parties building that order and enforcing it, occasionally with exceptional violence.
And it's a bannable offense in this forum to claim that was a lot better than a fragmented multipolar world order with local geographical hegemony calling the shots.
Extreme violence is the norm in geopolitics, and if it isn't done by the west, it's done by others, and being accused of "violent rethoric" for basically not being a complete non -interventionist pacifist is again kind of absurd.
I have been banned for having an opinion which was ultramajoritarian in the USA after 9 11 basically. Just incredible.
Yes so what's the idea, that it's a bannable offense to prefer the way geopolitics has been played during pax americana? That in this forum agreeing with CIA topping leaders, with wars used as punishment for misbehaving countries and so on, what the USA did regularly, is a bannable offense? We did have decades of a world order predicated on western supremacy and both major American parties building that order and enforcing it, occasionally
If you want to defend your posts, that's up to you. My point was that you should defend what you actually said, not a watered down version of what you said.
You’re not going to win the argument to make [strike]white[/strike] “western” supremacy a viable debate point for this forum.
Accept it or leave.
Europe is the continent which is LESS nationalistic lol, check numbers in Asia or Africa for self assessed cultural superiority.
And even in Europe almost everywhere it is a mainstream opinion (30%+). So something which would be absurd to an or censor in a political forum (which is the point we should be discussing).
Stuff like Norway, the purportedly stellar example of Nordic civism, at 58% is very indicative of my point.
And asking if you c
Dude, i think you to just need to xhill out a bit.
This place is best suited to hang out and argue over differences of opinion over politcal stuff - not to xhange anyones mind or to take offense from random takes from others. This place is for fun
The crossed white and the scary quote around western, is really what this is about.
Full woke radical leftist ideology became a forum rule by your own fiat to the point that it's bannable to take the position that American and western foreign policy can and should be very violent.
Obama, the first black president, extra judicially assassinated hundreds of people (enemies of the west) with targeted drone attacks, including at least an American citizen, and I cant say that was a very good thing and we should do it a lot more often? Israel is assassinating enemies with precision strikes, and that's very good and we should all do that much more often, the hell has white to do with this?
How can being in favor of, and asking to scale more, the actual policies of a recent president, or a current government of a western ally, be a bannable offense, or. Forbidden topic?
How can being in favor of, and asking to scale more, the actual policies of a recent president, or a current government of a western ally, be a bannable offense, or. Forbidden topic?
It seems that you are succeeding in convincing exactly zero mods here, so your options at this point are to play by the rules or not post here (either voluntarily or otherwise).
It seems that you are succeeding in convincing exactly zero mods here, so your options at this point are to play by the rules or not post here (either voluntarily or otherwise).
What are the rules on this? Can I ask for drone extrajudicial killings of enemies of the west like Obama did, but to more of them and a wider range for example?
If the only way to write here is by over-self-censoring to play it safe it isn't particularly funny or interesting to do so for me, especially when the rules are interpreted in a hyper-radical leftist way, I mean what I got repeatedly banned for here wouldn't have caused a ban in pre-musk Twitter, which was a leftist-moderated place (that's the only really leftist place I wrote in before this).
And the moderation back then felt really oppressive already (now it is fine).
