Moderation Questions and General Chat Thread

This is the most boring attempt to be controversial series of posts I’ve ever read.

For better or worse, I don't put Luciom in the edgelord category. I think that his posts accurately describe the world in which he wants to live.

When he says that he would prefer a world in which the populations of India, China, Nigeria, etc. are given a stark choice -- comply with the directions of the West or die -- I tend to believe he is expressing his actual views, not just riling people up on the internet.

The West doesn't speak with a unified voice, of course, but that's a different problem.

I didn't report it, but THAT is the kind of loathsome behaviour we need less of in here.

more like the leaders (elected or otherwise) of some of those countries have to comply at least a decent amount of times with broad directives (that i believe improve the quality of life of their populations to be clear, as they are mostly linked to trade matters) or risk increasing threats up to and including death.
EDIT: for them personally, because in most cases that's the only kind of threat that works.

But i mean this is what actually happened and still happens more or less. Coalitions toppled saddam, gheddafi, the afghan government and so on.

I don't believe many of you are happy that Houthis can increase the cost of goods and energy in europe for example. We are just discussing how to guarantee that can't happen, at whatever cost.

rafiki now that you are here, as a Jew, do you think it's reasonable to call me an antisemite because i minimized the danger of a bunch of insignificant people chanting "the jews won't replace us"?

I personally find Lucio's full-throated defense of Nazism much more offensive than my little barbs, but you do you.

It’s also been true of countries like France. Having a history of judicious use of the guillotine does seem to focus minds.

But of course this is quite distinct from threatening the same against citizens.

Where did I suggest that you made this up? I answered your question directly under the assumption that it was real. I'm very confused by your putting "dreamt up" in quotes.

You were banned for what the mods of this forum perceived to be racism. You can believe that this is a bad definition of racism if you'd like, but you obviously already know how we are operating. Do you have any new questions to ask?

the current moderation policy allows you to express your support for hamas, and in particular your support for their actions on oct 7. i dont think you would enjoy such a privilege in many places on the interwebs so stop yer damn whining

I disagree. Telling someone to shut the **** up is devoid of value and doesn't accomplish anything.

he is accurately describing the world we do live in. thats why he makes liberals uncomfortable.

Not exactly. We do still live in a world where the west still tries to act a little in the way i like it, but far less than it should (for me), and sometimes the directives given to non western countries are absolutely terrible and not predicated on a material advantage for the west (like when we pushed the philippines into China arms because Duterte was "too rightwing" )

Let's discuss how this would work in practice.

India has a patchwork quilt of minimum wage laws. In your perfect world, the West would abolish its own minimum wage laws on the ground that such laws are economically destructive, anti-freedom and demeaning to the human spirit. For the same reasons, the West then would issue an order directing India to abolish its minimum wage laws. Failure to comply with the order in a reasonable period would result in escalating assassinations of Indian political leaders who support minimum wage laws, and if necessary, assassinations of people who support those political leaders.

The West would give this order regardless of whether a majority of Indians professed to support minimum wage laws.

Is this more or less correct?

How's that working out?

trying to ascertain yet, thanks for asking

aside from me seeing india as an ally not an inimical country at all, let's say it's mexico. Mexico becomes ultra leftist and wants to ban trade with countries in the west that aren't leftist enough (say they emit too much CO2 and/or pollute in other ways too much and/or don't have "worker rights" enough and so on). That would be met with a modicum of strength depending on the actual implementation of such violation of the global trade order (in my model) with increasing threat. If Mexico then overplays it too much, like building a USSR like union with other south american leftist countries and financing actual violent attempts to disrupt the west for real (like financing terrorist attacks in panama) then the targeted assassinations of mexican leaders should start yes.

It's not much about wanting to tell india or indonesia or mexico how to conduct domestically. It has never been that. Egypt can have no social security, or a fat social security with workers being taxed a lot to finance that, or anything in between, and that's not our business. But egyptian leaders should never even think of making deals with hamas border smugglers, with arab individuals who want to finance terrorism using egyptian financial institution and so on.

Model is global free trade and resource access for the west, and access to develop the resources/markets. You start banning western companies to operate, or you steal their assets and so on, those are the action we will deal with. I can care less about how much you redistribute your fiscal intake or if you want to do socialized healthcare or not and so on.

Now talking about the present, the Houthis are the clearest example of what has to be dealt with: no world leader should even think to try to help the Houthis (and lately somali pirates) disrupt trade without facing massive personal risks. And china shouldn't even think of touching taiwan, at least until we build enough chip production capacity back on shore.

We are allowing Iran to finance groups that directly damage the west. And it's allies (Israel), but western countries *directly*. And we allow them to threaten to block the ormuz strait at times.

Iran should have been cut off of civilized society a long time ago, with that i mean a complete and full embargo forcing all countries in the world to comply or to enter the complete embargo themselves. That should be the basic approach when a country goes rogue: complete. No food, no medicine no nothing. And then you start the targeted assassinations (easier today with drones and whatnot), until the changes inside the regime bring about someone who prefers the carrot to the stick.

You see it's not about their own redistributive policies, i mean i am not talking using muscles against a country that decides to have rent control, as stupid as rent control is. I am not describing a power-hungry madman that wants to control all facets of societal life everywhere in the world (that would be the standard leftist globalist approach, not mine).

I am describing a pax americana 2.0 where free trade and free movement of capital coupled with filtered quality immigration improve the quality of life of most populations of most countries , with us at the helm

You haven't been following closely if you think Lucio has a cohesive world view based in reality.

Luciom, now do the part where you advocate for killing citizens who don't share the values of their host country and break some new laws.

Even if i was answering a direct question by a mod i feel like we should move the content conversations elsewhere

his worldview is more closely aligned with the leaders of the USA than anyone else on this forum by orders of magnitude.

I never saw the full post. But it strikes me as extremely unlikely that you have antisemitic tendencies.

Meanwhile I do believe that singularly denying the Jews of a homeland (but not say, the Japanese), is antisemitic. Particularly when the concept of a Palestinian homeland makes perfect sense in the minds of the same people.

Not while there are Muslims and Africans around anyway.

To give you full context, the people Lucio is defending here murdered a Jewish woman on the streets of an American city.

We’ve officially jumped the shark. Good job everyone. Lol.