Ukraine-Russia War Take 2
Here is what the preliminary take on the Ukraine thread disappearing is:
The site was hit with a massive spam attack where hundreds of spam threads were created. In the case where, for example, I see a single spam thread and delete it, that is called a soft delete, and mods can still see them but forum members cannot. Those deletion can be undone.
When a massive attack hits with hundreds of threads, an admin uses a different procedure where the hundreds of spam threads are merged and then hard deleted, where the threads are gone, and no note is left behind. As I have mentioned with my own experience of just soft deleting a large number of posts, sometimes a post or thread gets checked or merged accidentally and is deleted by mistake. Dealing with hundreds of spam threads takes a sledgehammer, not a scalpel.
It appears that our Ukraine thread may have gotten caught up in that recent net of spam threads. If so, it is likely gone for good. I cant say this for sure, and am awaiting comments from admins on this issue. Yes, this sucks. And hopefully there was some other software glitch that caused the disappearance, and we may recover it in the future.
But in the meantime, I have created this new Ukraine-Russia War thread to enable the conversation to continue. Obviously continuity with earlier discussions will be lost. There is no way around that. So as best as possible, let's pick up the conversation with recent events and go from there.
If you have any questions about this, please post them in the mod thread, not here. Let's keep this thread going with posts about the war, not the disappearance of the old thread.
Thanks.
My partner mentioned she read it on RAI, I was just wondering if there were updates on it.
Cheers, thanks I'll ask her to find it if she can.
What do you respond to if you don't know who is responsible? Anything from rightwing Russian extremists who want to escalate with the west to the CIA to anything in between, including groups that have nothing to do with the russian-ukraine war, could be responsible for now.
Putin will blame whoever he feels will help him the most and will divert attention away from this:
ISIS claiming responsibility.
What do you respond to if you don't know who is responsible? Anything from rightwing Russian extremists who want to escalate with the west to the CIA to anything in between, including groups that have nothing to do with the russian-ukraine war, could be responsible for now.
lol
Putin will blame whoever he feels will help him the most and will divert attention away from this:
ISIS claiming responsibility.
take notes lucium
ISIS? ok so USA and Israel.
hmmm
lol
ofc the Russian twitter is saying it was the West. they have faced serious allegations too!
(and apparently Ukraine. Although posting these things and just saying "hmmm" is clearly not suggesting anything. It has to be stated explicitly apparently. Also totally not a cowardly way of spreading a narrative without having to own it.)
Funny how that works.
ISIS is often backed by the west.
How does any of this pertain to the Moscow attacks? Be precise with what you (Russian twitter) is suggesting.
ISIS claimed responsibility. ISIS is often backed by the West. work on your reading comprehension.
When I connect the dots in the most logical way you accuse me of inventing arguments. When I ask you to clarify so I don't need to connect the dots myself I need to work on my reading comprehension...
OK so in your world ISIS is often backed by the west, and ISIS claimed responsibility... what are you suggesting the relevance is to the Moscow attack? Tie it all together. You're still not being precise.
oh but I am being precise.
Are you saying it is the West that is responsible for the attack?
I precisely did not say that (and dont act stupid about a clear joke post)
(and apparently Ukraine. Although posting these things and just saying "hmmm" is clearly not suggesting anything. It has to be stated explicitly apparently. Also totally not a cowardly way of spreading a narrative without having to own it.)
Funny how that works.
Putin will blame whoever he feels will help him the most and will divert attention away from this:
ISIS claiming responsibility.
What's your claim to be clear? Do you think we have elements to claim who was responsible?
ISIS claimed responsibility. ISIS is often backed by the West. work on your reading comprehension.
ISIS is an actor who hasn't been called on stage for a while.
If ISIS claims responsibility, we shouldn't believe it but even if we want to believe it, there is no reason to think this has anything to do with "the west" nor with Putin self-sabotaging himself.
If you want to give credit to ISIS, the most probable explanation about that is they felt out of the loop in recent years and they wanted to be talked about again, after both the west, and Russia, crushed it to nothingness
You don't precisely say anything. You just post attacks on entities you don't like. That's the point. So this was all a joke? For some reason if I didn't point to exactly what your posts suggest and how ludicrous it is, I doubt it would have been just a joke.
What's your claim to be clear? Do you think we have elements to claim who was responsible?
ISIS is by far the most likely to be responsible at this moment.
ISIS claiming responsibility isn't nothing I agree.
But we should be aware of the complex calculus behind this kind of stuff. ISIS is a dead entity which has fallen into irrelevancy lately.
They might have mustered the strength to accomplish this complex terrorist act, yes. But they also might just try to take credit for it to get their name back into the "news cycle".
I am still waiting for developments before making a call
You don't precisely say anything. You just post attacks on entities you don't like. That's the point. So this was all a joke? For some reason if I didn't point to exactly what your posts suggest and how ludicrous it is, I doubt it would have been just a joke.
ISIS is by far the most likely to be responsible at this moment.
ofc my posts didnt precisely say anything. you think I am supposed to solve the mystery?
Did I say that? No, I did not.
Look at this example:
What I'm saying it very precise. I do not attempt to solve "the mystery". If there are reasonable questions about my statement I will answer, because I am not ashamed of the stances I hold.
If what you were trying ro suggest is that if ISIS is responsible then the West is responsible then just say it. Oh right it was just a joke haha.
