SE Hoya Containment Thread (aka Politics)

nah

everyone saying they aren't getting rid of brandon, but i assume they're just trying to get their ducks in a row first, because like, BEFORE the debate:
- 36% of Americans approve of Biden's job performance as president, down from 38% in April. It was a return to the lowest approval rating of his presidency
- 42% percent of Democrats in Gallup poll pleased with Biden as nominee

post-debate:
- 72% of registered voters think he doesn't have the mental and cognitive health to serve as president

you literally cannot turn this ship around, there's nothing you can do to change anyone's mind on this. it'll only get worse with each subsequent gaffe on the campaign trail over the next 5 months. people don't really like him in the first place, and now he's dragging the entire ticket to hell. it'll be so insane if they try to stay the course with this

And apparently his family convinced him to continue.

Another giant joke.

YOU ARE MORE LIKELY TO LOSE AND HAND OVER THE REIGNS TO SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO END US DEMOCRACY

C'mon Barack Obama I know you read my posts. Just announce Biden can't win and he needs to step down.

I’m on board with biden not being the nominee and the debate was holy ****ing **** bad with my immediate impulse being get the **** rid of him right this second, for what 72o said combined with the performance. The problem is always gonna be ‘and then what.’

Harris: leading replacement who is all the bad of biden without an ounce of Biden’s inexplicable folksy flyover appeal

Newsom: liberal elitist

Michelle Obama: bigly wat this late in the game

Whitmer: I mean maybe? She probably can deliver Michigan which is half the battle

And then what?

Dems such a party of clownass imbeciles there isn’t a single viable choice

Nah, it's Newsom, and with Biden supporting him ("He'll finish the job and we can't afford to let Trump back in" blah blah blah) he rolls. Trump isn't popular, if Biden just had a normal debate, it's fine.

The only other actual candidates are Whitmer and Shapiro and we can't give those seats up. With Newsom there to actually articulate why Trump's gish gallop-y nonsense is worthless, and the rest of them falling in line, he'll be fine.

The problem with Newsom, and I agree he’d probably be the preferred option if it came to that, is not only would biden have to step aside but Harris would too. I could maybe see biden stepping down, I have a hard time buying harris would, especially if it’s for Newsom

Yeah, apparently she's already upset about being swapped off the ticket, which, I mean I get it, but also, everyone hates her so...

If Biden is determined to keep running (****...) then at least throw Newsom in as the VP. You don't necessarily have to say "Folks! I'm gonna die or wander off in two years tops and this is guy you're voting for." I feel like that would actually assuage a lot of fears, but they probably won't even do that.

Who cares what Harris thinks or wants?

She has little pull and is not popular with..anyone. Most forgettable vp of my lifetime.

****ing BULLDOZE her!

It really needs to happen now so there's proper build up and will be in the news cycle.

yeah kamala literally doesn't matter. iirc in 2020 she dropped out before the 1st primary (iowa) because she was polling at like 1%. she might be even more unpopular than brandon rn. nobody voted for her. if they want to keep her on or need her to go away, i'm sure they can figure that out. it's probably the easiest part of this thing

not sure what you mean by "give up those seats". pretty sure whitmer's lt. gov. would just serve out the term. to me she's the only one with upside if the dems think she guarantees michigan. i dont think shapiro is well known enough yet, but similarly if the dems think he would guarantee PA.

Kamala matters in the sense that she can make the process more painful than it needs to be if she wants to. In the event biden is out it seems unlikely kamala is the choice for running mate for whoever replaces him

If the convention turns into a fiasco (which it will unless kamala steps aside by choice) this only plays into trump’s tiny hand

Kamala ain’t letting American Psycho wannabe Newsom bump her out.

If you’re gonna run out a nationally loathed empty San Francisco suit spitting platitudes then it might as well be her.

I bet Newsom has some mind blowing dirt on him that hasn’t come out yet too. Dude has def waxed a hooker or too in his day.

my point is kinda that if clyburn and barry can make a couple calls over a weekend in 2020 and get pete & klob to quit and line up behind brandon (even though pete was beating him at the time), and warren stay in the race and keep shivving bernie, i think that the party can get kamala to do whatever they want. and like if it's gonna be newsom, you can't have a california/california ticket. if it's whitmer, you probably can't have a woman/woman ticket. etc

obv i have no idea how these backroom deals happen, but they do. if they need her to go, i'm sure they know how to get her to play ball. there won't be a real convention, it'll all be sorted long before then

I have friends who did blow with Newsom in his pre-SF mayor days

Plus his ex wife is literally DJT jrs whatever the ****. So if there is dirt, it’ll come out

Plus there’s Kamala’s alleged affair with Willie brown

Basically, stop making people from my state your standard bearer

Heard arguments otherwise.

I can see the logic.

More media madness=more mainstream exposure=less people focused on Trump.

They all suck but you'd prefer to have literally ****ing anyone else right now.

*Except Kalama obviously lolol.

Whitmer is uber-popular in Michigan, so if you can avoid it, you'd rather not lose her just so her LtGov can take her spot. Goverments actually do stuff, and she's effective where she's at. Shapiro is also popular in his state and unlike Gretch, he's not yet term limited.

Pulling those guys, who are fine but aren't the candidate Newsom is, is just getting too fancy for no reason.

Yeah, Kamala going into business for herself is that last thing the Dems need. The only way this whole thing works is if it's a united front. You need the "We're the adults in the room, we're organized to stop this orange meteor from destroying America" message to re-create 2020.

Joe says "Look at all the laws I passed. Let's get some new blood in here" which almost everyone Red and Blue badly wants anyway. Kamala gives us one more "Yeah, we did it Joe!" or at least shuts the **** up. Convention goes smoothly and everyone is happy voting for Not-Trump.

Stop selling, you've already closed the deal.

Could this actually be 4D chess from Dark Brando?!?!

Feel like you lose literally no votes with someone else + you get to take the “high road” and make some good of the country BS speech + you get a ton of media attention for doing something unique.

Could it be? Yes

Is it? Lol **** no. If they were capable of something like this they'd have done it deliberately prior to not having a primary process and whatever the **** that debate was.

I mean it’s obviously not actually a plan, but I kinda feel like switching it up now is better than than in January. More attention, less time for the oppo train to roll, draw a bigger contrast between the ancient incumbents and the fresh hot new blood

yhtsi

nightmare fuel ^

lots of people backtracking now, everyone pretending like brandon isn't ****ing off, but come on

does not have the mental and cognitive health to serve as president (registered voters): 72%
biden should not be running for president: 72%
biden should not be running (registered dems): 46%

pre-debate general pole: biden 43%, trump 41%
new general pole: trump 50%, biden 42%

if this isn't settled a week from now, after the july 4 weekend, just wrap it up. everything. joever