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03 December 2015 at 07:37 PM
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cherry picking poles yhtsi @72o

my thoughts:

americas enemies want them to elect trump
trump wants dems to run biden (after not wanting him in 2020)

biden prob 20-25% equity. replacement 35% (and can run 2x and will objectively be a better prez)


Post-truth zombie bona fideez on full display while I was away. yhtsi

git some Gad Saad.


it's joever (i hope)


clywoat peeping dem "cherry-picked" general election poles showing that brandon went from +2 to -8 in a week uh2ci


the goat doesn't need polling

https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI...


by vinivici9586 k

it's joever (i hope)

Very conflicted. On the one hand, the Kingmaker doesn't make mistakes. On the other, Harris would be a tremendous ****ing mistake.

Like a 100%, Conor vs. Floyd guaranteed loss mistake.


Conor still got 100M's and built his brand enough to make another 200M with Proper 12 for that tho


by Onlydo2days k

Conor still got 100M's and built his brand enough to make another 200M with Proper 12 for that tho

And a bunch of Dems still got/will get rich/powerful by trading stocks on non-public knowledge and all that.

Doesn't change the fact that the Dems are dogs to win if the run Joe or replace him, but they're stone dead if the run KH


Nobody in Congress is insider trading

They're all simply better than the best stock predictors.


brandon is so joever that even kamala is better

trump 49, biden 43
trump 47, harris 45

independents
trump 44, biden 34
harris 43, trump 40

people of colour
biden +21, harris +29


i think they could find even better people, but it's possible she could win. brandon on the other hand seems to have almost no path to victory. feel like he's gonna drop out, they're just trying to figure everything out


I mean I’m on board with biden not being the nominee but there i don’t believe any poll that says harris is better

Harris is a charisma void from california who serves as the VP of a president who is ****ed because (other than age) inflation, Gaza, immigration. Curious why someone who would be down for the VP of the guy who ran this ship

There is just no chance a serious person wasn’t gonna vote biden is gonna vote black shebiden


those are cnn pole numbers from today, they say she is better rn


i can think of a lot of reasons why ppl might prefer her in the year of our lord 2024


Bet365 and Betfair now have Kamala as the favorite to be the Dem candidate. First time this election cycle that Biden is not the favorite to be Dem candidate.


Implied odds also have her >>> than Biden vs Trump (~44% vs ~25%).





forgot to mention that poling from yesterday showed that brandon dropped ~2 points in every swing state

new nyt pole:
trump +6 among likely voters
trump +8 among registered voters
trump's largest ever lead in a nyt pole

brandon approval rating at another record low


seems like they're giving him the weekend to try to salvage the situation, but it's pretty hopeless at this point

supposedly they can lock him in as the nominee in a couple weeks ..... i'm getting increasingly terrified they're stalling for time to get to that, so they can just tell everyone to shut the **** about him dropping out because it's done, joever. that would be the most dem party outcome possible. but the numbers get worse every day, and every day there are more dems calling for him to leave, so it feels like only a matter of time that it is officially joever.


Nah. Those polls are like Hillary's polls. Not that it matters lol

All the insanity from every angle. It's brilliant. These are great days we're livin', bros.


Parasitized


lol Vic, hate-watch the Gadfather, and bring your latest bs in here so we don't risk a ban.


Biden needs to go.

Obama, Bill Clinton, Nancy, maybe another, should to go up to go up to Biden and say "you're out."

Nixon in the 70s style.


by Chilltown k

Biden needs to go.

Obama, Bill Clinton, Nancy, maybe another, should to go up to go up to Biden and say "you're out."

Nixon in the 70s style.

Yeah we need a Goldwater moment here. Kinda feels like that's where we're headed. You don't really come back from more and more of your own team saying "nah"


we are here:

by 72off k

seems like they're giving him the weekend to try to salvage the situation, but it's pretty hopeless at this point


hopefully we don't get here:

supposedly they can lock him in as the nominee in a couple weeks ..... i'm getting increasingly terrified they're stalling for time to get to that, so they can just tell everyone to shut the **** about him dropping out because it's done, joever. that would be the most dem party outcome possible.


but the numbers get worse every day, and every day there are more dems calling for him to leave, so it feels like only a matter of time that it is officially joever.

think it's only a matter of time because they call it. a few more elected dems have gone on record calling for him to quit, megadonors going on record saying that the tap is dry until he ****s off, leaks from staffers, etc. would be the most insane thing ever if they tried to power through this because a handful of freaks enjoy being president via this senile donkey. he was already getting destroyed before the debate, there is literally no way to turn this around.


all hail kamala
(it literally has to be her because of the money and campaign apparatus etc glgl)


Oh no



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