The costs of trans visibility
Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....
For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and
. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.
What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.
We need to do better.
this is absolutely not true
the basics of each religion are way more insane and outlandish than you may be the wrong gender
children growing up in iceland aren't magically finding the call of krishna at 3 years old without prior introduction
there are genuine instances of gender dysphoria, but the vast majority are confused little kids who are told "this explains why you're confused"
You forgot to present the evidence
I love your respect of free speech. Real open-minded of you.
Before you go all tyrant on us, all you have to do was ask. The word is us d in this context to mean you people are grooming children to believe in an ideology. Duh!
Based on your clearly displaced anger, looks like we’ve touched a nerve.
That's a ridiculous misuse of the standard meaning of "grooming" children. It's obviously meant to imply that an adult is trying to prepare a child to be taken advantage of sexually.
"Unsuspecting children?" Are we sneaking up on them and injecting them with these drugs without their and their parents' consents?
And the vast majority of psychiatrists, especially those who work with children and adolescents, say that there is no mental health issue to treat. So maybe your recommendation doesn't really make any sense.
If you think the children will commit suicide if not given puberty blockers, I believe that does imply there is a mental health issue involved.
I love how you try to gaslight. PARENTS DONT ALWAYS ACT IN THEOR CHILDRENS’ BEST INTERESTS!!!!!
There are soooooooo many experts with. Credentials equalling the people I’ve named, yet you cannot name one.
Grunching, but the term isn't "gaslighting" when you are dealing with a frothing-at-the-mouth crazy person.
It is called "good clean fun."
As an ex-clinical psychologist, you can trust me on that.
If you think the children will commit suicide if not given puberty blockers, I believe that does imply there is a mental health issue involved.
I had a patient. Well, they say I’m a fake doctor so I guess it was a fake patient anyhow, his “girlfriend” was a post-op. He was asking me for advice because his “girlfriend” wanted to go on birth control since they weren’t using condoms. That’s right. A biological man was afraid of getting knocked up. Not a mental illness, though, dude.
You're confusing the argument and just talking about something tangentially related. You said that the children were unsuspecting. But the children are not getting hormones without wanting them and without their parents consenting. They're therefore not unsuspecting.
This argument is getting boring. You keep bringing up a handful of psychiatrists who think the transgender is mental illness, but that still leaves the vast majority psychiatris
How is a (as yet untouched by by puberty blockers, etc) transgender youth significantly different from a young person who, 15 years ago, would have been diagnosed as suffering from gender dysphoria?
I don't believe there's any evidence that this is true. Gender identity is something that seems to be innate and develops by around 3 years of age. If there is evidence that you could convince people that are gender they're not, then I would agree that we would need a different approach.
I'm 54, and I still don't feel that I have a gender identity. How did you know what yours was as a child or as an adult?
I had a patient. Well, they say I’m a fake doctor so I guess it was a fake patient anyhow, his “girlfriend” was a post-op. He was asking me for advice because his “girlfriend” wanted to go on birth control since they weren’t using condoms. That’s right. A biological man was afraid of getting knocked up. Not a mental illness, though, dude.
I guess you had good news for him? No pregnancy worries for him.
This example sounds more like genuine confusion / ignorance than mental illness though.
If you think the children will commit suicide if not given puberty blockers, I believe that does imply there is a mental health issue involved.
He is more of an expert than I am as I am no longer in the industry, but people with unpleasant lives who aren't mentally ill oftentimes are at higher risk of suicide.
People of Korean ancestry in Japan commit suicide at higher rates than ethnically Japanese people do there. Iirc, being Korean is not a mental illness under current standards of diagnosis.
If your point is that people whose gender is different from their genitals would lead to, on average, less pleasant lives due to a bunch of life-issues, I apologize for the grunching.
Perhaps you believe that cancer is a mental illness. People with cancer have very high rates of suicide. Perhaps we should treat them for their mental health issues instead of treating their cancer.
guess those koreans are experiencing racial dysphoria
He is more of an expert than I am as I am no longer in the industry, but people with unpleasant lives who aren't mentally ill oftentimes are at higher risk of suicide.
People of Korean ancestry in Japan commit suicide at higher rates than ethnically Japanese people do there. Iirc, being Korean is not a mental illness under current standards of diagnosis.
If your point is that people whose gender is different from their genitals would lead to
Being Korean is not a mental illness, but someone who is Korean living in Japan and is often acting unhappy about that fact would likely benefit from mental health treatment.
A well adjusted, happy Korean person living in Japan is not likely to randomly decide to kill himself.
People who are depressed because they have cancer now are suffering from two diseases and, if possible should be treated for both.
In general, people who are depressed / suicidal because of very legitimate causes still benefit from psychiatry.
Being Korean is not a mental illness, but someone who is Korean living in Japan and is often acting unhappy about that fact would likely benefit from mental health treatment.
A well adjusted, happy Korean person living in Japan is not likely to randomly decide to kill himself.
People who are depressed because they have cancer now are suffering from two diseases and, if possible should be treated for both.
In general, people who are depressed
100%
chillrob wins yet another thread
Being Korean is not a mental illness, but someone who is Korean living in Japan and is often acting unhappy about that fact would likely benefit from mental health treatment.
A well adjusted, happy Korean person living in Japan is not likely to randomly decide to kill himself.
People who are depressed because they have cancer now are suffering from two diseases and, if possible should be treated for both.
In general, people who are depressed
I agree.
That is why we (not me anymore) oftentimes recommend that people with real-life non-mental-illness problems get psychological treatment.
We do not generally recommend that you get 12 talking therapy sessions in lieu of chemotherapy. It is just an add-on that might provide some comfort.
I don't feel like I am white. Or a man. Or American. Or fat.
That is because I am the default character. I'd certainly "feel it" if I were not the default character.
I'm the same as you, except I definitely feel fat. Although that may be because I wasn't always fat.
I'm not sure if you mean the 'default character' is whatever you happen to be, or that you happen to have the standard characteristics of the stereotypical human.
Either way though, you can't possibly know that you would feel differently if you were different.
I have no idea what it feels like to be a man, I only know what it feels like to be me. The possibility of anyone 'feeling like a man' seems completely illogical to me, because others also cannot know what it feels like to be a man, they only know what it feels like to be themselves. The way others feel is not something that can be objectively determined, or even described.
I agree.
That is why we (not me anymore) oftentimes recommend that people with real-life non-mental-illness problems get psychological treatment.
We do not generally recommend that you get 12 talking therapy sessions in lieu of chemotherapy. It is just an add-on that might provide some comfort.
I guess it depends on your definition, but I would say that those people you would recommend for psychological treatment are, by definition, suffering from a negative mental health condition, or what most would call a mental illness.
Hey what if we stopped mocking and demeaning those people who are at an elevated risk for suicide?
fatty dysphoria in the thread
Hey what if we stopped mocking and demeaning those people who are at an elevated risk for suicide?
Who was doing that? Certainly not me. I have stated many times that I have suffered from depression, and that I think there should be no stigma attached to suffering from mental illnesses.
I'm the same as you, except I definitely feel fat. Although that may be because I wasn't always fat.
I'm not sure if you mean the 'default character' is whatever you happen to be, or that you happen to have the standard characteristics of the stereotypical human.
Either way though, you can't possibly know that you would feel differently if you were different.
I have no idea what it feels like to be a man, I only know what it feels like to b
I can pay close attention and listen to other people.
I can look at their faces and (without effort) know (for a fact) exactly how they are feeling.
You feel that?
I think you missed something. The tranny wants to go on birth control. Last I checked, men cannot get pregnant
Correct, so that individual seems to be misinformed or confused. Possibly could also be suffering from mental illness, but I can't know based on that.
If a cishet teenager told me he was worried about getting pregnant, I would think it was more likely he was ignorant than insane.
I can pay close attention and listen to other people.
I can look at their faces and (without effort) know (for a fact) exactly how they are feeling.
You feel that?
Not often. But I am likely on the autism spectrum.
I definitely cannot look at someone's expression and know whether or not they feel like a man.
