Israel/Palestine thread

Israel/Palestine thread

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Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..

AM YISRAEL CHAI.


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07 October 2023 at 09:33 PM
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by metsandfinsfan P

I'm saying that the majority of anti zionists are rabid antisemites

who would qualify as an anti-zionist but not antisemitic in your estimation?


The Houthis are militant thugs that overthrew the legitimate government of Yemen, they’re not beloved by their own people, much less the broader Islamic community. It’s like saying Netanyahu is a celebrated hero to all the Jews worldwide.


by metsandfinsfan P

I'm saying that the majority of anti zionists are rabid antisemites and I'm including Victor

lol

by Trolly McTrollson P

The Houthis are militant thugs that overthrew the legitimate government of Yemen, they’re not beloved by their own people, much less the broader Islamic community. It’s like saying Netanyahu is a celebrated hero to all the Jews worldwide.

lol


by King_of_NYC P

who would qualify as an anti-zionist but not antisemitic in your estimation?

That's a tough question to answer. I guess it depends on the definition of Zionism again

People critical of Israel and their current regime and their treatment of the West Bank Palestinians in favor of a two state solution are not generally antisemites

But almost anyone against the idea of a jewish state is an antisemite


by Trolly McTrollson P

The Houthis are militant thugs that overthrew the legitimate government of Yemen, they’re not beloved by their own people, much less the broader Islamic community. It’s like saying Netanyahu is a celebrated hero to all the Jews worldwide.

Hamas is not loved by the overall islamic community either but they are praised by the antizionists in this thread

Denying the rapes is still incredible


by Trolly McTrollson P

Legitimately astonished that you’re signing off on his gutter racist ideology. Do you think Kelhus is some kind of ally?

You are?!?!?

This guy has been a racist, rightwing, bloodthirsty Zionist since minute 1... does he need to call you, once again, an antisemitic, terrorism-supporter monster for it to finally get through to you?

Kelhus is most certainly his ally.


by Karl_TheOG_Marx P

You are?!?!?

This guy has been a racist, rightwing, bloodthirsty Zionist since minute 1... does he need to call you, once again, an antisemitic, terrorism-supporter monster for it to finally get through to you?

Kelhus is most certainly his ally.

ya Trolly just doesnt read well. he plays by feel as they say. and really, Trolly is pretty close to both of them in terms of hatred of Arab others and their swarthy rapist ways.

anyone that believes that horseshit rapist NYT story is a rabid anti-Arab bigot and absolutely allied in thought with Kel and mets.


if anything, Kelhus is less overtly racist and gross than mets is, or at least it's quite comparable

pretending that there's some significant ideological difference between these two clowns is very weird


by Victor P

ya Trolly just doesnt read well. he plays by feel as they say. and really, Trolly is pretty close to both of them in terms of hatred of Arab others and their swarthy rapist ways.

anyone that believes that horseshit rapist NYT story is a rabid anti-Arab bigot and absolutely allied in thought with Kel and mets.

I can't go that far. I think Trolly is sympathetic to the plight of Palestinians and generally opposed to Bibi, the IDF and its ethnic cleansing. He's just a centrist liberal, most of whom have that Obama-style mindset about "all sides want what's best for the world, let's go high when they go low, let's get our enemies together with us and have a beer summit", etc., etc.

It's an annoying and tired ideology, but it's far, far less horrific than the one of Mets/Kelhus.


by Dunyain P

Maybe because Jews have no heroes that genocided entire tribes out of existence, so no respect. You want respect in this world, you have to earn it through the sword. That is the brutal truth. Muhammad and Ghengis Khan are 2 revered leaders, both in their time and for eternity, who did this on multiple occasions.

2000+ years of exile and the Jews finally get a chance to become a real nation, and they are too weak to do what is necessary

Ghengis Khan is regarded as a monster and Assad, Putin and Xi are only admired by victor and others like him. Kooks iow.


by metsandfinsfan P

Hamas is not loved by the overall islamic community either but they are praised by the antizionists in this thread

Denying the rapes is still incredible

Totally bro, you can't go anywhere in this thread without the damn leftists praising Hamas!! (something that I'd be willing to bet has happened exactly zero times ITT)

And no, shedding no tears for when an IDF soldier/occupier gets owned DOES NOT equate to "praising Hamas".

Leftwingers reject the black/white, childlike ideology of the right, in which everything is a battle between Good and Evil.


by Karl_TheOG_Marx P

I can't go that far. I think Trolly is sympathetic to the plight of Palestinians and generally opposed to Bibi, the IDF and its ethnic cleansing. He's just a centrist liberal, most of whom have that Obama-style mindset about "all sides want what's best for the world, let's go high when they go low, let's get our enemies together with us and have a beer summit", etc., etc.

It's an annoying and tired ideology, but it's far, far less horrific

I dunno, concluding that the NYT article is at all accurate is caused by the same racist pathos and slavish devotion to superior white ethics.


by corpus vile P

Ghengis Khan is regarded as a monster and Assad, Putin and Xi are only admired by victor and others like him. Kooks iow.

I dont admire Putin. dont know much about Assad. and yes I think Xi is by far the best of the bunch in terms of superpower countries. I am sure he is as ruthless as anyone but I dont see him doing genocide or imperialism with bombs.


Maybe because Jews have no heroes that genocided entire tribes out of existence, so no respect. You want respect in this world, you have to earn it through the sword. That is the brutal truth.

-kelhus

Wait until this student of history learns about the United States and how it uses/views Israel as its proxy state!


by Dunyain P

They are stepping up. Demographics is destiny. The Middle East is already almost 100% Muslim Arabs. Of the hundreds of people/cultures that once lived there, they have pretty much been completely absorbed or genocided. Jewish Israel is m


What precisely would it really take? They're not exactly earning respect now, so again what would it really take?


by corpus vile P

Ghengis Khan is regarded as a monster and Assad, Putin and Xi are only admired by victor and others like him. Kooks iow.

Ghengis Khan, Assad, and Putin all suck.

Xi isn't great, but he's comparable to Western leaders (who you readily accept) in terms of the death and horrors he unleashes upon the world.

George W. killed far more innocent people than Xi, and he was only in power for 8 years...

The left-wing admirers of Putin, Assad, et. al is a tiny group. There are exponentially more right-wingers that admire Hitler, Mussolini, and Pinochet than the former group, but somehow, someway, the former group gets all the conversation.

Edit: Franco too -- the US religious right loooooooves that guy


by Dunyain P

Are you familiar with the Jews of Banu Qurayza?

They actually sided with a certain great Muslim general in the 6th Century during his wars of conquest. However, the great general deemed they were not supportive enough (and may have been playing both sides, there is some controversy here) and as punishment he had all the men of the tribe executed, and the women and children sold into slavery. Complete and utter genocide. This great general

So are you saying Israel should engage in "complete and utter genocide"? (@vic Karl and the other muppets- don't bother chiming in with your "they're doing that already!!" schtick as I'm not interested, question is to Dunain only)


by jalfrezi P

Which parts of the world?

1 Yemen
2 Iran
3...*trails off*


go on twitter and you will see hundreds/thousands of Pinochet fans rocking helicopter memes


by corpus vile P

So are you saying Israel should engage in "complete and utter genocide"? (@vic Karl and the other muppets- don't bother chiming in with your "they're doing that already!!" schtick as I'm not interested, question is to Dunain only)

"Please don't chime in to tell me how ridiculously pointless and moronic my line of inquiry is!", he begs.


I mean, hes said it multiple times.


by Karl_TheOG_Marx P

if anything, Kelhus is less overtly racist and gross than mets is, or at least it's quite comparable

pretending that there's some significant ideological difference between these two clowns is very weird

Kelhouse has linked articles by white supremacist neo-Nazis to bolster whatever point he was making at the time.
Mets hasn't. So no as per usual, you're wrong.


mets doesnt need talking points like Kel does. mets hate is pure and unadulterated from the heart.


Mets isn't racist


by Karl_TheOG_Marx P

Totally bro, you can't go anywhere in this thread without the damn leftists praising Hamas!! (something that I'd be willing to bet has happened exactly zero times ITT)

And no, shedding no tears for when an IDF soldier/occupier gets owned DOES NOT equate to "praising Hamas".

Leftwingers reject the black/white, childlike ideology of the right, in which everything is a battle between Good and Evil.

You were praising them with your "payback" gloating remember? When you crowed over the murder of a 22 year old girl?


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