[Bodog/Bovada/Ignition] Unofficial Thread
This thread is to separate the Bovada-related comments and questions from the Official Bodog Support Thread, which is there only for questions or concerns about anything Bodog-branded.
There is no official Bovada Rep at 2+2 at this time, but perhaps if discussion is effected in a civil manner, one might arrive in due course?
Thank you.
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So we have rampant RTA abuse, massive CFP stables teaching bad regs not to suck, and rakeback affiliates teaching Eastern European grinders how to game the system. Good times!
All this stuff, including the bots, isn't really a big threat to your win rate as long as you've got recreational players around. At worst, you're looking at dropping maybe 2 or 3 bb/100. The number one real threat is collusion. I don't see it much happening at the tables, because it's pretty easy to spot, report... like the classic cold call with AA and stuff. The second big issue is sharing cards, but without collusion - that's trickier to catch.
These two issues are what could really hit your winrate the hardest, especially when there's more than a couple of team players at your table. And honestly, this is WAY more impactful than dealing with EU regs, RTA, bots or CFP with MDA...
A quick solution would be to bring back HU tables..
I am absolutely convinced that I am being cheated on here somehow. 6 straight losing months, every single way way under EV (my all-in EV line and $ won line has been on a constant divergence .. normally it fluctuates). I don't know if its b/c people are sharing their cards so they know how what cards are folded so they can turn a slightly negative all-in to positive ones.
I am resistant to thinking that people can see my cards or that they
It's not just you who's thinking things like this, just read through this thread recently and even dating back to the beginning of last year. There's definitely some, maybe alot of shady sh 1t going on. After what happened with GG poker and all the people in this thread saying what they've been i wouldn't rule out the possibility of anything, including cards being able to be seen whether its players or community or both. Also wouldn't totally be shocked if the site itself is now running house bots and or is in on atleast some of whats going on in some form or fashion
hey im nasty. on global poker, i reported a bot that is starting 9max 500 games hu, i play on bovada, when i reported support almost trolled me, first responding like i had reported a problem with the fairness of rng, then they corrected and said no bots in our tourneys, and it went on like this, even though id sent them hh number of the cash game hand, didnt sound like they were going to investigate or cared....
i might be winning against this bot its really hard to say, its not very good, it does some really predictable **** a human wouldnt keep doing over and over, and the timing of each move is very similar so exact same pre, then changes a little bit post flop but its again almost exactly the same
theres chance im wrong, but from 13 years playing professionally my gut tells me im not playing human, and bovada support literally give zero ****
I had to Google CFP stables to figure out what that is. I'm sure these CFP owners are putting all sorts of predatory, usurious conditions on their horses. That offends me more than the resultant downgrade of the quality of these games, although that definitely sucks too.
From what I understand, CFP stables take 50-60% of the students' profits and require them to sign a contract where they have to play something crazy like 1 million hands before they can get out of the contract. I think they can buy out of the contract, but it's for something like 30-50 buy-ins at their current stake. The thought of a 21 year old college student being able to buy out their contract for 25k or whatever is laughable.
I don't feel sorry for the students though. I would rather fellate farm animals for a proper bankroll than join a CFP.
Exhibit A:
This was in tonights $55 Nightly. Player 486 should be looked in to. These people can see the runouts or know the results. They all have similar stats with over 50 vpip and super low rfis. They dont know how to play poker but they know when to call all ins. This is happening far too often...Anybody has hh like this post them here and send email to report them. Wouldnt be a bad idea for us to all email when a sus hand is posted.
Only way we have a chance of anything changing is us to put pressure on Bodog.
They all have similar stats with over 50 vpip and super low rfis. They dont know how to play poker
...we call those "fish" and I'm not even sure which one you're accusing since everyone played so badly here.
65s doesn't seem too surprising, just today I had a guy overlimp HJ and shove over my iso with 65o for 60bb. They lost to the first limper who had T8o. Anyways if 65s can see the runout wouldn't they 3bet? Or flat your 4b with the super nuts?
Weird fold by 77 guy but if they could see the runout/hole cards they'd probably just not 3bet? I don't play MTTs so maybe payout structures make it a fold as played.
Imo stuff like this is exactly the reason why professionals like nasty with legitimate concerns get shrugged off.
The 3b was all in less like .3 bbs . Original raiser iso raise and guy in question shoved over the iso with 65s after flatting pre.
Are you drunk?
hey im nasty. on global poker, i reported a bot that is starting 9max 500 games hu, i play on bovada, when i reported support almost trolled me, first responding like i had reported a problem with the fairness of rng, then they corrected and said no bots in our tourneys, and it went on like this, even though id sent them hh number of the cash game hand, didnt sound like they were going to investigate or cared....
i might be winning against t
are there many regs in this thread or just conspiracy theorists that wna talk about bovada being rigged ect? so i just played 6 max too 500nl the same type of bot is playing those games aswell as the 9 max ones, its very noticeable when it goes heads up vs him, i dont want to list the exploits you can use vs it, but the patterns are very clear its not human, no one replied on here in 24 hours no one seems to care, or maybe we cant do anything? have any other 500 grinders noticed this strange bot ?
are there many regs in this thread or just conspiracy theorists that wna talk about bovada being rigged ect? so i just played 6 max too 500nl the same type of bot is playing those games aswell as the 9 max ones, its very noticeable when it goes heads up vs him, i dont want to list the exploits you can use vs it, but the patterns are very clear its not human, no one replied on here in 24 hours no one seems to care, or maybe we cant do anythi
It's not that. I've had a similar experience recently ITT discussing 500z and a player I'm fairly certain is botting. Nobody responded to that claim at all, afaik, but there has been discussion about 500z and 200z in general. Message boards like this are going the way of the dodo. It's such a small base of players here, and most players play much lower than 500+, and even that 500+ group is split into people that prefer 500z and those that prefer 500-2k regular tables (with which I only have mild experience, and didn't notice anything untoward, but this was 6+ months ago). I bet there are dozens or hundreds of people complaining about this stuff on Twitter.
Edit: I mean, SOME of the people here ARE just "conspiracy theorists that wna talk about bovada being rigged ect", but you'll find those people in any place people are discussing online poker
From what I understand, CFP stables take 50-60% of the students' profits and require them to sign a contract where they have to play something crazy like 1 million hands before they can get out of the contract. I think they can buy out of the contract, but it's for something like 30-50 buy-ins at their current stake. The thought of a 21 year old college student being able to buy out their contract for 25k or whatever is laughable.
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That's somehow even worse than what my imagination was coming up with. Christ. This entire planet is built upon exploitation.
I play 200z/500z/500-2k reg on ignition for some time and can confirm there are many bots/colliders etc. it’s a known fact. The site is not acting on it yet but I’m sure they will eventually. Just be careful
I commented on this about 10 months ago and all i got was a certain poster having a mental breakdown because, surprisingly, it's difficult to get lots of data in anon games.
Anyone playing 1k+ - 3 handed games have been ****ed for 12-18 months, some stables show egregiously anomalous results in 3 handed games at 2k in that time period.
I've reported a bunch of accounts for using gto wizard using their fairplay search but those have gotten fewer recently (I assume people just using non gtow solvers or drawing from their own pre solved db).
People aren't commenting on the point too much since there's v little that you as an individual can do. The most likely way to get a result from bonition is to try and publicly shame them/harm their business in someway to encourage them to take action. The problem here is that you also run the risk of just getting banned from their platform for doing so.
The people best positioned are probably the guys running stables since they have a lot of data to work with but also will have the highest risk.
I can't comment on the zone games but I would assume that every format would be compromised to some degree.
I commented on this about 10 months ago and all i got was a certain poster having a mental breakdown because, surprisingly, it's difficult to get lots of data in anon games.
Anyone playing 1k+ - 3 handed games have been ****ed for 12-18 months, some stables show egregiously anomalous results in 3 handed games at 2k in that time period.
I've reported a bunch of accounts for using gto wizard using their fairplay search but those have gotten f
I've seen only a few people post on the bonition forums about cheating over the past year. Those posts eventually get locked or deleted but maybe if alot more people were making those types of posts over on a regular basis there they "might" actually start taking it seriously and doing something about it instead of their usual pre determined response of "we take all accusations of cheating seriously".
are there many regs in this thread or just conspiracy theorists that wna talk about bovada being rigged ect? so i just played 6 max too 500nl the same type of bot is playing those games aswell as the 9 max ones, its very noticeable when it goes heads up vs him, i dont want to list the exploits you can use vs it, but the patterns are very clear its not human, no one replied on here in 24 hours no one seems to care, or maybe we cant do anythi
There are regs in this thread. And regs that mainly only browse this thread. You will get your riggies on every poker forum. Especially free ones! As for nobody replying. This forum is not as popular as it once was. So often times these threads don't have much activity.
I commented on this about 10 months ago and all i got was a certain poster having a mental breakdown because, surprisingly, it's difficult to get lots of data in anon games.
Anyone playing 1k+ - 3 handed games have been ****ed for 12-18 months, some stables show egregiously anomalous results in 3 handed games at 2k in that time period.
I've reported a bunch of accounts for using gto wizard using their fairplay search but those have gotten f
There is minimum one player at 2k that switched from gtowiz to some other library. I spot him quite easily and I don't get hits playing with him but he is still around.
Any MTT regs still crushing here? I'm finding my winrates and overall game quality down significantly over the past months.
Any MTT regs still crushing here? I'm finding my winrates and overall game quality down significantly over the past months.
Yeah I was expecting the winter and holidays to be easier than this summer/fall, but if anything, the games were tougher. Higher % of serious players, and more people willing to stall, blind down near the bubble.
https://twitter.com/mobiuspoker/status/1...
This post is to raise awareness around the apparent recent spike of collusion on Ignition/Bodog. Likes and reposts are much appreciated
In the past, Ignition has generally done a good job at policing games (imo) and has offered generous refunds when cheating has occurred
Lately, collusion has reached what I consider to be nearly unplayable levels. No one in my network has been issued a refund despite consistently reporting blatant collusion like the examples below:
Yeah I was expecting the winter and holidays to be easier than this summer/fall, but if anything, the games were tougher. Higher % of serious players, and more people willing to stall, blind down near the bubble.
Yep, exactly what I've noticed too. And ya this has usually been the softest time of the year to play in my experience. ~10,000 games played on this site @ ~30% ROI but I'm near breakeven over the past six months.
Obv within the realms of possibility from a variance standpoint, but all the recent collusion posts / GG situation do have me a little extra concerned.
Yeah, while it it does look like the cash players are being cheated, I think the biggest reason that the mtt's have become so much less lucrative is a lack of new players who haven't bothered to memorize 0-30bb push/fold and 3bet ranges
Has anyone made the switch from Ignition to Bodog due to location? Are there any steps I need to take to comply with their ToS, or just create a new account?
Any insight/guidance is appreciated.
