Israel/Palestine thread
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The whole region smells of a plan to push a bunch of countries into chaos, right before the American election.
no offense intended lads but the sunnis and shias were murdering each others children more 1000 years before your country existed. not everything is about you
no offense intended lads but the sunnis and shias were murdering each others children more 1000 years before your country existed. not everything is about you
I'm not American 😀
But if you follow the thread I'm suggesting, the Axis is much more than just Arab nations.
Biden is already almost toast. But he's definitely toast if Americans need to fight a war in the middle East. That benefits a certain someone greatly (that most of us in here see as one of the biggest enemies to globally stability).
I have no idea what Trump would do about this war as president
He's still butthurt that Bibi called biden to congratulate him before January's 6
Very obviously some gang of pissed off sunnis
I guess not much would change if Trump was president. Maybe less concern about aid getting in gaza? Maybe less pushback about civilian casualty
I can't see him cutting off Israel.
Luckily this should be basically done before the next president ... Unless it does escalate outside of gaza
I cant imagine any scenario where trump would cut off israel if this is ongoing.
He might cut off bibi I suppose but bibi isn 't stupid and would make the easy play for trumps ego
3 months ago Iran said it thwarted a major attack in Tehran from ISIS and diffused 30 bombs.
no offense intended lads but the sunnis and shias were murdering each others children more 1000 years before your country existed. not everything is about you
Oh I wasn't saying US might be behind it. I just like pointing out that we backed ISIS.
ISIS then.
I still think it was Israel.
USA's actions were largely responsible for the creation of ISIS and USA has directly backed Al Queda affiliates, but has USA directly backed ISIS? Cite?
I cant imagine any scenario where trump would cut off israel if this is ongoing.
He might cut off bibi I suppose but bibi isn 't stupid and would make the easy play for trumps ego
Trump just wants to get people together to make deals to feed his ego. And he has shown to be very accommodating if you will do this. During his last tenure Israel and some Arab nations came to the table and he was accommodating to them and the Abraham Accords happened. Iran and the Palestinians brought nothing to the table, and he had no interest in dealing with their nonsense.
Unless the Palestinians have an actual change of heart and bring something to the table other than 7th century inspired religious war rhetoric he would most likely just ignore them, and try to get Israel to unilaterally wrap things up to some new status quo, probably under favorable terms to Israel.
USA's actions were largely responsible for the creation of ISIS and USA has directly backed Al Queda affiliates, but has USA directly backed ISIS? Cite?
I thought they backed ISIS in the Syrian civil war. ofc, they backed pretty much all sides in that war and I remember reading about times where 2 US backed groups fought each other lol.
I thought they backed ISIS in the Syrian civil war. ofc, they backed pretty much all sides in that war and I remember reading about times where 2 US backed groups fought each other lol.
USA backs the Syrian Free Army (Al Nusra/Al Queda is a part of this coalition) which is largely supported by Turkey and they have fought with the SDF - Army of Rojava - The Democratic Federation of Northern Syria (closest thing to good guys among all the parties) and also backed by USA. They are also being invaded by US ally, Turkey.
Entirely possible ISIS or some other shitheads are trying to stir up a broader fight.
I haven't heard of and can't find any strong support for ISIS from any nation state. I think they are fundamentally not-nationalist and also fundamentally not Arab and I don't think they fit well with any of the other parties in the ME. Probably this is why they are so dangerous. They can form armies in Africa or maybe Indonesia in a way that Al Qaeda couldn't or wouldn't.
Lol the anti semite of course thinks it's Israel
oh so we backed Al Qaeda and not ISIS? ok, well proly just backed them all.
I do think ISIS is a bit different. I looked to see whose weapons they use and found 90% were Russian/Eastern European or Chinese. I was wondering if, like the Viet Kong, most of their weapons came from the US via corruption, but no. Probably most of their weapons came from the Syrian and Iraqi Armies via corruption/theft/seizure. (probably mostly corruption though). US support for Al Qaeda is understandable (not that it's correct, but you can see the motivation). Turkey allies with them, they were fighting Assad, Turkey is a very important ally for the US. ISIS does nothing in the region but threaten US interests (including in Saudi Arabia). At least as far as I can figure at the moment.
That makes sense. I had forgotten the difference.
Soleimiani is a interesting case in US playing both sides at times though. He was a US ally in the US actions against the Taliban after 9/11. It wasn't long after the invasion of Iraq though that he was an enemy of the US.
