Fringe conspiracy containment thread
2) I'm sure there were blockades to keep people from entering parts of front street so more people didn't die. I don't know specifically what happened beyond what Fish's (I've talked to Fish plenty, so next time I see him I'll ask him directly, it's a pretty chopped video) report in your video, but they obviously weren't intentionally blocking people in. 3) As far as barbed wire now, I'm sure there are still things to steal, but it's also
It's a proven fact that the cars were blocked from escaping, which is how a lot of people died. This doesn't only come from your friend Fish who was interviewed it comes from just about every survivor. There are countless interviews with people shocked as to why they were blocking the escape routes with no explanation why. And it's not just barbed wire, on HRE's video from yesterday, there are miles and miles of fence covered with a black tarp so no one can see in. They also used heavy yellow iron equipment to move large boulders on a lookout point on a mountain that overlooks the city so no one can park there anymore to look down on the valley. Since you know this guy Fish, why don't you ask him what they're hiding there and why our government (this operation is lead by FEMA, the national guard there who are blocking the road are answering to them only) is doing this
Our president who went there to visit compared this to a small kitchen fire in his house and joked that he almost lost his corvette. That was a stab in the back to everyone involved. It was a disgrace (as usual).
Since we're in the study game... I have two for you.
40% of deaths could have been prevented from Covid-19, if the Trump administration took the virus more seriously, didn't spread misinformation, and took better policy positions:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021...
Over 230k preventable covid-19 deaths in the US if people even had 1 covid-19 vaccine shot:
So all it takes for you to believe something is a website? See how easy it is to control people?
It's not hard to see what's going on, but just in case, cliffs: Biden is a front for the global nazies who are all hidden (in plain sight) behind klaus schwab and the WEF along with their cohorts over at the CDC, FBI, CIA, DOJ, FEMA and the UN who are doing this in plain sight, but everyone is too programmed to hate trump as much as possible (who's also a front fwiw, he's basically a nothing in this war it's not all about him either but he's definitely on humanities side) or too closed minded to ever think they're being lied to.
The fires that caused all the smoke in NYC all started at the exact same time over hundreds of miles of forrest in Canada. How on earth does that happen naturally? But everyone wants to turn a blind eye because they believe "of course no one would do that on purpose" which was probably so they can start their plans for climate lockdowns. I'm not a conspiracy theorist I'm just stating the facts that need to be answered of which everyone wants to turn a blind eye to.
They're also currently preparing for a new pandemic with a new variant. Also, FEMA just emailed the people involved in the Maui disaster to not post any pictures of the disaster on social media. What are they hiding?
Your president doesn't care at all about anybody he's supposed to be serving, because he's not serving us he's serving his masters who control him along with many other leaders of other countries. If they continue to get their way, you will all be living in a climate crisis where you won't be allowed to travel more than 15 minutes from your home and forced to eat bugs and artificially grown foods. Bon appetito.
It's empty.
They know it. They feel it. The pretense. The charade to fitness is a masquerade for the inadequate.
I will make maybe a bad assumption by saying more conspiracy theories are popular on the right side , less on the left side .
Then the right keep saying government are not needed and totally incompetent.
And yet by some strange phenomenon, governments becomes extremely competent by being neck deep responsible in conspiracies, involving hundreds if not thousand of people successfully being kept silence with a huge success rates …..
Is government competent or incompetent in your view though?
I would say that governments have varying levels of competence depending on the task, but are far more likely to be incompetent than they are to be hyper-competent.
Victor suggested that government conspiracies are easier to keep secret than we imagine because information is compartmentalized. His comment reminded me of something that I had been intending to discuss. I apologize in advance if I fail to explain myself properly. This idea is little more than my intuition, and intuition isn't usually my lane.
Access to information and decision-making is compartmentalized in any large bureaucracy. That compartmentalization sometimes creates the illusion of integrated purpose and planning--that is, the illusion of a conspiracy--where none exists. I would analogize to the way that human beings have looked at the natural world, which undeniably evidences structure, and concluded that the structure must reflect a divine purpose or a plan. That's how our brains have evolved to work. We have a psychological need to see order and planning in the chaos, even where it does not exist.
The "but government is incompetent" line has always been funny to me...."they spend $500 on a toilet seat how could they do 9/11!?!?".....as if when the government wastes a trillion dollars they are literally just lighting that money on fire.
The "but government is incompetent" line has always been funny to me...."they spend $500 on a toilet seat how could they do 9/11!?!?".....as if when the government wastes a trillion dollars they are literally just lighting that money on fire.
I don't understand the inherent connection between spending and competence? I would have thought that spending a lot of money could be consistent with numerous theoretical levels of competence.
Maybe I don't understand your point. I agree that wasting money doesn't necessarily imply broad incompetence.
I would say that governments have varying levels of competence depending on the task, but are far more likely to be incompetent than they are to be hyper-competent.
Victor suggested that government conspiracies are easier to keep secret than we imagine because information is compartmentalized. His comment reminded me of something that I had been intending to discuss. I apologize in advance if I fail to explain myself properly. This idea i
It's not a divine purpose or plan. It's just people and entities acting in their own interest. Have you ever watched the Wire?
I would say that governments have varying levels of competence depending on the task,but are far more likely to be incompetent than they are to be hyper-competent.
Victor suggested that government conspiracies are easier to keep secret than we imagine because information is compartmentalized. His comment reminded me of something that I had been intending to discuss. I apologize in advance if I fail to explain myself properly. This idea i
Better worded then me .
It's not a divine purpose or plan. It's just people and entities acting in their own interest. Have you ever watched the Wire?
I've seen the wire several times. I'm not sure what that has to do with our discussion.
I am suggesting that a bunch of people and entities working independently in their own self interest can create a pastiche that looks to a conspiracy-minded person like a grand top-down conspiracy but isn't.
I've seen the wire several times. I'm not sure what that has to do with our discussion.
I am suggesting that a bunch of people and entities working independently in their own self interest can create a pastiche that looks to a conspiracy-minded person like a grand top-down conspiracy but isn't.
when they "juke the stats" in the wire, would you consider that a conspiracy?
I thought of that stuff more as corruption and garden variety lying when I watched the show.
For example, when Sean Spicer lied about the attendance numbers at Trump's inauguration, and then Kellyanne Conway defended Spicer's statements with some jibber jabber about alternative facts, I didn't think to myself that Trump, Spicer, and Conway were engaged in a conspiracy. I just thought that they were doing a terrible job of lying.
I thought of that stuff more as corruption and garden variety lying when I watched the show.
For example, when Sean Spicer lied about the attendance numbers at Trump's inauguration, and then Kellyanne Conway defended Spicer's statements with some jibber jabber about alternative facts, I didn't think to myself that Trump, Spicer, and Conway were engaged in a conspiracy. I just thought that they were doing a terrible job of lying.
I would argue both are clear conspiracies by the semantic definition of the word. I am not talking in the legal sense bc lol law.
Mind as well say all fraud implicating 2+ persons are conspiracy theories as well .
Nice save victor .
The conspiracy theory commonly known probably do not fit that tho …
Mind as well say all fraud implicating 2+ persons are conspiracy theories as well .
Nice save victor .
The conspiracy theory commonly known probably do not fit that tho …
it doesnt even need to be fraud. literally the definition of a conspiracy is 2 or more people acting together to achieve a goal.
I would argue both are clear conspiracies by the semantic definition of the word. I am not talking in the legal sense bc lol law.
Sure. We can define the word conspiracy broadly enough to capture any time that two or more people lie about the same thing in the same way.
But if you define conspiracy that broadly, then statements such as "conspiracies are extremely common" or "conspiracy theories very often are correct," even if technically accurate, cease to tell us anything about whether conspiracy theories that necessarily would require the participation of dozens, hundreds, or thousands of people are likely to be true.
I would argue both are clear conspiracies by the semantic definition of the word. I am not talking in the legal sense bc lol law.
Sure. We can define the word conspiracy broadly enough to capture any time that two or more people lie about the same thing in the same way.
But if you define conspiracy that broadly, then statements such as "conspiracies are extremely common" or "conspiracy theories very often are correct," even if technically accurate, cease to tell us anything about whether conspiracy theories that necessarily would require the participation of dozens, h
There is also the rather obvious point that "conspiracy theory" is an idiom, therefore the definition of the phrase is not reducible to the definitions of its components.
tautology
ofc we understand the tactic. thats why I point out how its bullshit.
But if you define conspiracy that broadly, then statements such as "conspiracies are extremely common" or "conspiracy theories very often are correct," even if technically accurate, cease to tell us anything about whether conspiracy theories that necessarily would require the participation of dozens, hundreds, or thousands of people are likely to be true.
Right. And so many of the mundane "true conspiracy" theories were pointed out convincingly in real time and tell us nothing about outlandish ones. One when I was in school was the NSA putting in back doors in ECG algorithms confirmed by Sowden leaks but basically open knowledge prior. Even before NIST etc even started using them people wrote articles saying "yeah if I wanted hidden back doors I'd pick something exactly like these algorithms". But loons on cryptography boards will use that story to pretend like the NSA can just straight break AES which would mean the NSA is secretly multiple Abel Prizes ahead of the open math community. When really it shows the exact opposite..... They're barley ahead, have to cheat and can't even do that very well.
