Israel/Palestine thread
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tell me more about how precision bombs save lives. tell me more about how Israel doesnt target families.
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Einstein and Kevin Costner were right. If you build more bombs, more bombs will get dropped.
In terms of who is a combatant and who isn't, things are more murky than that. Around Christmas the IDF found the new (to Hamas) model suicide vests being altered to fit children. Some people were shocked by that, but I think it's not particularly shocking in the context of the radicalization of the last 20 years across various conflicts in the region. They aren't inventing this method or anything like that.
People have to remember that Sin
Clearly guys with guns in contested areas are combatants. Or are they terrorists? Or are they civilians?
Gotta clarify cause I wanna see how y’all classify the Israeli settlers that go and murder Palestinians that DONT have guns
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I wasnt asking about that. I asked if they were civilians or not.
I would shoot them of course.
If they've got military weapons they're not civilians. They're militia, paramilitaries or unlawful combatants.
The same goes, of course, for Israeli West Bank settlers carrying assault rifles.
tell me more about how Israel doesnt intentionally kill civilians. tell me more about how precisions bombs save lives.
It depends how the bombs are used, by whom, with what intelligence and with what intent. They can of course be used to target civilians if that is what the user wants to do. British forces are not told to do that and we have records of pilots 'throwing the shot' (moving the laser spot to an empty area while the bomb is in flight) if civilians appear in the target zone. Pilots can also 'turn down' the bomb, before the drop or while in flight, to give only partial detonation or no detonation at all, using the bomb simply as a kinetic object, for instance to knock out a sniper or anti-tank team in a single room.
But from the pictures of what Gaza looks like just now, the Israelis aren't doing that kind of thing. It looks unpleasantly as though they are engaged in 'collective punishment', Russian-style.
like, this is why I have respect for Dun. hes like, yep they deserve it. the mealy mouthed libs like BGP and chillrob who act like this **** isnt intentional, ubiquitous, and explicitly endorsed and abetted by the USA are the ones who infuriate me.
As far as we can tell, the USA isn't very happy and would like Israel to call it off, though whether they have the cojones to insist is doubtful.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-...
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/9/...
The whole business of Iran's Houthi proxies attacking shipping in the Red Sea -- the US doesn't like that, doesn't want to get drawn into a preventive attack on Houthi bases in Yemen and doesn't appreciate Israel setting fire to a large part of the world and basically destabilising everything. But, again, the cojones question arises.
It depends how the bombs are used, by whom, with what intelligence and with what intent. They can of course be used to target civilians if that is what the user wants to do. British forces are not told to do that and we have records of pilots 'throwing the shot' (moving the laser spot to an empty area while the bomb is in flight) if civilians appear in the target zone. Pilots can also 'turn down' the bomb, before the drop or while in flight
Yep. As much as I criticize USA and UK, this is a whole worse level.
Precision strikes save civilians!
its the biggest slam dunk case of all time for war crimes and genocide.
just go thru Israeli twitter and tiktok and telegram and this is all you see
As far as we can tell, the USA isn't very happy and would like Israel to call it off, though whether they have the cojones to insist is doubtful.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-...
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/9/...
The whole business of Iran's Houthi proxies attacking shipping in the Red Sea -- the US doesn't like that, doesn't want to get drawn into a preven
they may not be happy with it. or at least they have said as much.
but they endorse it. John Kirby, the man who cried, yes literally cried at the podium, about Ukrainian civilian deaths said that there are "no red lines" for Israel and that "in war civilians die. whaddya gonna do."
and they support it as the weaponry and aid indicate. and the bypassing of Congress twice now indicate.
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like, this is why I have respect for Dun. hes like, yep they deserve it. the mealy mouthed libs like BGP and chillrob who act like this **** isnt intentional, ubiquitous, and explicitly endorsed and abetted by the USA are the ones who infuriate me.
When the "neo cons" massacre people = neo cons are disgusting warmongering murderers.
When the "liberals" massacre people = meh, let me explain to you why they were all enemy combatants and this was justified.
USA isn't very happy? What does that matter when the most USA does is send Blinken to "assess the situation" and then Netanyahu laughs him out the door, repeat every 2 weeks while USA keeps sending money.
Like a parent that isn't very happy about their kid's behavior, but sends allowance money no matter what.
"Son, sit down and let me tell you about how I am not happy with you"
"STFU mom and dad, the money better be in my account by end of the week"
When the "neo cons" massacre people = neo cons are disgusting warmongering murderers.
When the "liberals" massacre people = meh, let me explain to you why they were all enemy combatants and this was justified.
Libs are like let me explain why we just killed 30k innocent civilians to save others
USA isn't very happy? What does that matter when the most USA does is send Blinken to "assess the situation" and then Netanyahu laughs him out the door, repeat every 2 weeks while USA keeps sending money.
Like a parent that isn't very happy about their kid's behavior, but sends allowance money no matter what.
"Son, sit down and let me tell you about how I am not happy with you"
"STFU mom and dad, the money better be in my account by end of the
Keep in mind what the alternative is. And we actually send them A LOT of money too (either through UN Aid or various corrupt NGOs) and they still chant "Death to America" and cheer in the streets every time anything bad happens here.
Keep in mind what the alternative is. And we actually send them A LOT of money too (either through UN Aid or various corrupt NGOs) and they still chant "Death to America" and cheer in the streets every time anything bad happens here.
speaking of cheering in the streets when something bad happens to America
speaking of cheering in the streets when something bad happens to America
LOL. You know how racist you have to be against Jews to bring up such a **** nothing story from 2002 as evidence of anything. You linking such an empty story from 22 years ago tells a lot more about you than anything else. Go ahead, just make your avatar a swastika. We all know you want to.
Pretty clear some paranoid lady just called the police on some Middle Eastern guys living in her building (not even in NY, in New Jersey) just because they were Middle Eastern and the story was an absolute nothing burger that went absolutely nowhere.
And the Israelis were of course right. Palestinians is too narrow a category; but we are all fighting Islamofasicsts that are trying to drag the entire world back to the 7th century.
so Arabs dancing when bad things happen to USA is bad. Israels dancing is good?
no its not. not at all. people try to appeal to the goodness and morality of the USA to justify its foreign policy positions. I simply point out that the USA is not to be believed and should not be considered the moral authority.
the Palestinians had nothing to do with whatever happened to Jews in Morocco or Iraq or Iran or wherever 50-100 years ago.
like thousands of miles away and 50 years ago something bad happened to some Jews by some
When someone criticizes Russia, they never say "Russia is bad, they're not like the USA who is always good and always acts morally". They just say Russia did something bad.
I don't remember EVER seeing someone claim anything about the goodness and morality of US foreign policy here. That's just another lie you pulled out of your ass.
Of course something that happened 50-100 years ago matters. If it didn't, why would any Palestinians be saying they should have a right of return. Very few, if any of those people ever lived where they want the right to return to. Their great-grandparents lived there, in 1948, and they think that means they should be allowed to do so.
Some may agree they should, and I'm not even saying they shouldn't, but the entire basis of that is something that happened 50-100 years ago.
And of course I also didn't say anything justified oppression on Palestinians. But it does make me have very little sympathy for them when they elect terrorists and align themselves with countries which not only attacked Israel and the Jews over and over again, but have attacked the US over and over again.
And again, of course, this has NOTHING to do with race. To begin with, even to those who believe race is a thing, Palestinians and most Israelis are the same race! I couldn't tell the difference between an average Israeli and an average Palestinian by looking at them, and I doubt you could either. I link them, as I stated already, because they support the actions of these other countries, and those countries support their cause (and give them weapons, with which they kill as many Jewish civilians as they can).
*yawn*
Israel depends on American support for their survival, they're already pushing the boundaries of that support as-is with 22,000 dead, if they start dropping nuclear weapons, that goes away very quickly and they become international pariahs.
Ah yes, you are absolutely correct! Which proves BGP's point that wanting to keep in the good graces of the US has led them to kill fewer Palestinian civilians than they otherwise would.
LOL. You know how racist you have to be against Jews to bring up such a **** nothing story from 2002 as evidence of anything. You linking such an empty story from 22 years ago tells a lot more about you than anything else. Go ahead, just make your avatar a swastika. We all know you want to.
Pretty clear some paranoid lady just called the police on some Middle Eastern guys living in her building (not even in NY, in New Jersey) just beca
You also won a vacation. And since this at least your third alias, this one is a permaban.
