Politics and Society Moderation Discussion Only Fans Thread

In your first posts you said threads, plural. If you had read my original response on this topic when another poster raised the same issue, you would have seen that I specifically stated that the strict modding of off posts topics would occur only in the moderation thread and not in other threads. And I explained why that was necessary.

Likely you missed that post, as it was tucked in between dozens of non mod related posts so it would have been easy to miss.

Likewise, if you had carefully read other posts itt that actually dealt with moderation policies, you would have seen that I, in fact, carefully considered the opinion of other posters irt the misgendering provision of the new transgender policy, and based on that input reversed the policy to be more in line with the opinions of non mod posters.

So you are trying to generalize the fact that in this one particular thread, that exists solely for mods to address moderation issues surfaced by posters, that my position that only moderator opinions matter and incorrectly extrapolate that to every thread in the forum. This despite the fact that I have explicitly stated and have shown by action that the opposite is true.

And to be clear, while there is a lot more leeway for off topic discussion in the other threads, it is not without limits. We won't have, for example, a 100 post derail about the pros and cons of living in Overland Park, Kansas in the Ukraine thread or the Donald Trump thread.

The idea that there is no need at all for threads to remain generally on topic, taken to its logical conclusion, would leave us with a single thread titiled Politics and Society where everyone posted on whatever topic they please. While that may sound appealing to some, it is not how this site organizes its subforums. If anyone feels the need to eliminate thread subjects is important enough they can suggest it in the ATF forum and the higher ups will see it and give it the consideration it deserves.

Sure I'll mod the Ukraine thread.

Sorry, it's an all or nothing deal. You can't cherry pick the best threads to mod and disregard the others. 😀😉

ya you totally debunked the insane idea that 30k dead, most of which are women and children is somehow worse than a few hundred in Bucha.

I am really curious who is the one debunking war crimes. 400 dead is the worst thing ever. 30k dead? no big deal.

I mean, I think we all know why you value those Ukrainians more than the dirty Arabs. I just wish you would be honest about it like Dun and his ilk.

You can just mod the Ukraine thread and only pretend to mod the others.

That's jut a straw man you completely made up. You did not invent thread topics and the forum somehow worked fine with topics for a decade without the extreme post moving and deletion. Maybe try to learn how it was done?

Browser I know you're joking, but actually it is an arrangement I have in area where I mod specific threads.

Sample comparison of war crimes to further the discussion of Russia's invasion of Ukraine:

This is my personal approach btw.

I never said the dead in Gaza was OK, I said very much the polar opposite.

I'm too lazy to search for it because genocide is too difficult to search for in that thread but by far the best comparison was:

Victor: don't discuss whether or not if what Russia is doing is genocide, none of us are arbiters of genocide.

Also Victor: RUSSIA ISNT COMMITTING GENOCIDE ISRAEL IS!!!!

yeah that's a real good comparison to further the discussion of Russia and Ukraine.

What was made up?

And other than the mod thread, what other thread has been subjected to "extreme post moving and deletions"? What actions irt moving or deleting posts in other threads are you referring to that is keeping this forum from working fine?

As far as the issue of comparison or whataboutism, however you want to consider it, imo that is an argument technique (sometimes useful, sometimes terrible) but generally speaking I dont consider that off topic, and rarely does the discussion last so long on the alternative topic as to reach the need for movement or deletion.

I never claimed there was no need for threads. You completely made that up, claimed it might be appealing to some and then told these fictional people to go to ATF, knowing all along that nobody has advocated for that and the suggestion would be laughed at in ATF or anywhere else. When you do crap like that it really undermines your ability to mod and even just post in a manner that can be taken seriously.

Just let bluegrass mod the Ukraine thread, what’s the worst that could happen?

It's a tactic to continually draw the discussion away from the topic. I could easily go to the Israel thread and say things like "you call being blindfolded torture!?!? Let me tell you about what Russia does!" It's not productive, it is absolutely off topic, it absolutely seeks to diminish the crime of one when viewed in the context of the thread. There is no reason not to just condemn the torture in the Palestine thread and condemn the torture in the Russia thread.

It is not a productive means of communication. There are absolutely comparisons that can be made and productive ways to make comparisons but using one to diminish the either is not it.

yes I call being blindfolded for weeks on end torture. but we all know why you dont consider it torture when God's chosen people of light do it to dirty Arabs.

bruv you are the one that thinks dropping more bombs in Gaza is better. you are the one who thinks 400 dead in Bucha is worse than 30k dead in Gaza.

why? would would anyone think that?

I think they're both torture. Much as I think bombing a maternity ward is bombing a maternity ward whether it's in Gaza or Ukraine.

I believe dropping fewer bombs in Gaza is better, a stance your called "disgusting".

I do not think dead in Bucha is better or worse than dead in Gaza. I was pointing out that trying to point out there were more dead in Gaza means Gaza is a worse crime without considering the scale of the crimes is incredibly dumb. It is incredible dumb.

Please stop inventing your own arguments to argue against.

None of these are mod issues. Please stay focused. Thanks. Saying this as a fellow poster, not a mod.

Let's review what you actually said and what I actually said.

You started this discussion by stating that no one was clamoring to keep threads on topic and the forum was better when I wasnt keeping them on topic. So the clear meaning there is that there is no need to keep threads ontopic. If a thread isnt on the topic of the thread, then what, exactly is the purpose of having thread topics at all? If the topics are not to be held to, whats the point of having them? You didnt say "we need threads generally on topic but some diversion should be allowed". You said the forum was better when threads were allowed to be off topic.

I then said that if you take that to its logical conclusion there would be no need for threads at all. I didnt claim you said that. I said if its better for the forum that threads are fine going off topic (your position) then eventually the thread topics become meaningless.

You simply started this by saying there is no need to keep threads on topic. No caveats about small derails or huge derails; how far off topic is OK. You just said threads are better when allowed to go off topic. That's what I responded to.

If the moderation thread is filled with 100+ posts about cutters, Kansas and a discussion about a posters occupation, is it still even a moderation thread? If those same posts were in the Supreme Court thread, would it even be a Supreme Court thread? If people are discussing the pros and cons of the Palestinian Israeli Conflict in the Climate Change Thread is it still a Climate Change thread?

To say that we need threads with defined topics so that posters who want to read or discuss those topics easily but then say that we should never move or delete off topic posts seems contradictory to me. And the more posts I allow to accumulate before deciding this is too big a derail and the actual thread topic is lost, the more "extreme or massive" the deletions will appear.

You can't have it both ways. You cant say we need thread topics and then complain when threads are kept on that topic. You cant say that a few off topic posts are OK but then complain if the number reaches 50+ and are moved or deleted that the moves were massive.

I apologize that it hurts your liberal sensibilities to point out that your president loves killing Gazans and will do everything in his power to kill more of them. rather than trying to suppress it, you could just not support him? unless...well...maybe you agree.

I brought the style of "argument" into this thread to discuss the validity of the style of "argument". You are inventing your own arguments for me which I don't hold in order to attack me as a person. These are not the same.

I have laid out my argument on providing precision weapons in order to limit casualties already. I'm not going to repeat it here.

I do not think 400 dead is worse than 30k dead. If you are unable to follow the argument that's not an excuse to invent your own argument to fight against.

Unless Bobo decides to step in and make it so, we can stop the discussion about someone modding one thread. It's not going to happen. And esp if it is someone who actually gives a **** about that particular subject. 😀 When you enter the world of Politics modding, it's all in as far as threads go.

And please move the discussion of the Ukraine and Palestinian activities out of here and back to the appropriate threads. No need to rehash those arguments here.

Thanks.

Thanks for bringing the conversation back to the topic of the thread.

Can the mods chime in here? Last time I brought up my concerns over what I consider contentless personal attacks by Victor no mod replied with whether or not Victor was indeed posting in such a manner. If I could get a mod opinion now on whether or not he engages in such behavior I would appreciate.

I would also appreciate it if any mods would chime in on whether or not he has attempted to derail the Russia thread to instead focus on Palestine.

It would be nice to know if my concerns are indeed viewed as "bullshit and lies" as I do not consider them to be. That would also help to determine if I'm posting here without provocation.

Thanks.

I deleted the additional posts on Ukraine itt. As time permits I will go back a few days in that and take a closer look at how things have played out there.

I've reported quite a few of the personal attacks from both threads that I participate in. That might help make things less time intensive.

That is just how Victor posts in every thread. It is not like there is some mystery what is going on that no one is noticing. We have had this discussion before and the forum consensus is he is grandfathered in and his behavior tolerated, and if you dont like it just put him on ignore.

I am not making an argument whether this is good policy or not, just pointing out the reality.

I'd like to hear that from the mods.

You wont as its not true.