Israel/Palestine thread

Israel/Palestine thread

Think this merits its own thread...

Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..

AM YISRAEL CHAI.


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by browser2920 P

You also won a vacation. And since this at least your third alias, this one is a permaban.

Hmm. Somebody has an urge to purge.
Chill's comment was definitely outa line albeit inventive and original. (but still outa line). But vic's comment re dancing Israelis is a known anti Semitic trope so how come he gets a free pass?

https://www.adl.org/resources/report/ant...

The Mossad was behind the attacks. Variations of this theory have circulated since 2001 and assert that the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency, was behind the 9/11 attacks. The most common “proof” cited is the false claim that five Israeli Mossad agents were arrested on 9/11 by police who observed them filming and celebrating the attack. This narrative of the “dancing Israelis” is a recurring element of many conspiracy theories.

If you're going to issue temp and permanent bans, doesn't propagating anti Semitic conspiracies count? Or not??


It would be much better if he spoke about the real things Israel does like spy on the US via pollard and attack our ships with bombs, Liberty style


by PointlessWords P

It would be much better if he spoke about the real things Israel does like spy on the US via pollard and attack our ships with bombs, Liberty style

I have mentioned many times about the spying from the ADL and how it colluded with South Africa Apartheid regime to spy on Americans.

anyway, as usual, my point was to show the hypocrisy of blaming an entire group of people bc some may have been dancing. it would be outrageous to condemn all of Israel bc those 5 guys were doing whatever. just like its outrageous to condemn all of the Muslims bc some celebrated 911.


by Victor P

I have mentioned many times about the spying from the ADL and how it colluded with South Africa Apartheid regime to spy on Americans.

anyway, as usual, my point was to show the hypocrisy of blaming an entire group of people bc some may have been dancing. it would be outrageous to condemn all of Israel bc those 5 guys were doing whatever. just like its outrageous to condemn all of the Muslims bc some celebrated 911.

Being a hypocrite is part of life.

And how do you think Israel got its nukes? Did they buy they from white slavers/terrorists?


by PointlessWords P

Being a hypocrite is part of life.

And how do you think Israel got its nukes? Did they buy they from white slavers/terrorists?

google tells me they got help from the French and South Africans mainly. why does that matter?


Because they illegally got nukes from white terrorist states.


What duty do you guys think the world has to refugees? Be it Syria, Gaza, Ukraine etc.

What do you guys think the ideal global response should be.



by rafiki P

What duty do you guys think the world has to refugees? Be it Syria, Gaza, Ukraine etc.

What do you guys think the ideal global response should be.

An immediate ceasefire would be a big help to the “refugees.”


as we already knew, Israeli soldiers killed a ton of its own citizens and was even ordered to do so.

https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/yokr...




by Trolly McTrollson P

An immediate ceasefire would be a big help to the “refugees.”

I mean the concept at large Trolly. In the examples of armed conflict creating refugees, what do you think the world's responsibility should be?


by rafiki P

I mean the concept at large Trolly. In the examples of armed conflict creating refugees, what do you think the world's responsibility should be?

1. Pressure Israel to stop bombing the refugees

2. Massive foreign aid to rebuild Gaza and whatever’s left of North Gaza

3. Pressure Israel to pay reparations


by Trolly McTrollson P

1. Pressure Israel to stop bombing the refugees

2. Massive foreign aid to rebuild Gaza and whatever’s left of North Gaza

3. Pressure Israel to pay reparations

That's not the question I just asked.

What do you think that globally, as a species, our collective responsibility should be towards refugees of conflict?


by rafiki P

That's not the question I just asked.

What do you think that globally, as a species, our collective responsibility should be towards refugees of conflict?

As a species, globally, we should collectively help refugees by pressuring Israel into an immediate ceasefire. I'd say the same thing about the Russia/Ukraine conflict.


Of course nothing on making Hamas surrender and/or stop hiding among civilians.


by rafiki P

That's not the question I just asked.

What do you think that globally, as a species, our collective responsibility should be towards refugees of conflict?

he's answering the question every time.. the duty is to target the government creating the refugees. refugees don't just appear out of thin air. you make it politically and economically punishing to create refugees


by grizy P

Of course nothing on making Hamas surrender and/or stop hiding among civilians.

hamas should surrender. the israeli government should step down and be replaced. the second thing you said is a dumb talking point that doesn't need a response.


by grizy P

Of course nothing on making Hamas surrender and/or stop hiding among civilians.

I was asked what the international community should do. Obviously, Hamas should surrender and **** off.


by Slighted P

he's answering the question every time.. the duty is to target the government creating the refugees. refugees don't just appear out of thin air. you make it politically and economically punishing to create refugees

How much punishment are you willing to inflict on the Israelis to make them give up the right to defend against/prevent another Oct 7?


by grizy P

How much punishment are you willing to inflict on the Israelis to make them give up the right to defend against/prevent another Oct 7?

neither of those things happened or are happening, btw. israel is currently just collectively punishing an ethnicity they don't like. and the US certainly shouldn't be funding it.


Israeli twitter is pretty amazing today. the hatred of South Africa is really bring the racism out.


So the correct play in WW2 was to ask the Allies to stop creating Japanese refugees via a ceasefire? Or German refugees via a ceasefire? Because the allies created millions and millions of refugees.

What I'm asking is once the damage is done, the population is displaced, and there is no going back in the short to medium term. What should the people of earth do with refugees? Asking for ceasefires in all out war is like "hopes and prayers". That isn't going to save lives.

What do humans do to try and help as many refugees from conflict zones as humanly possible?




America's treatment of refugees in WWII is not an example the rest of the world should follow.


by rafiki P

So the correct play in WW2 was to ask the Allies to stop creating Japanese refugees? Or German refugees? Because the allies created millions and millions of refugees.

What I'm asking is once the damage is done, the population is displaced, and there is no going back in the short to medium term. What should the people of earth do with refugees? Asking for cease fires in all out war is like "hopes and prayers". That isn't going to save lives.

yes. bombing places is bad. yes, the US nuking Japanese cities and killing civilians was bad.

but you aren't actually asking a real question. you just want to hear an excuse/justification for Israel's conduct in ethnically cleansing gaza. the population should be IN gaza they shouldn't be displaced to another country. israel shouldn't have barbarically razed empty homes, schools, and churches so that the innocent civilians aren't able to return.

it's hard to deny the ethnic cleansing allegations when you are going out of your way and making it impossible for the 2 million completely innocent people to be able to live.


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