Israel/Palestine thread
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IT will probably be the PA imo. Not because anyone wants them there; they don't. They're the only ones willing.
--I think you are discounting how radicalized Gaza is and how widely the PA is viewed for being perceived as Zionist collaborators. The PA is not wanted at all in Gaza and they know it. Anyone they sent there would be in extreme danger, probably not too different than Israeli troops. Why do you think they are even willing? I haven't read anything to that effect.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-eas...
"Only 11% of Palestinian voiced satisfaction with PA President Mahmoud Abbas."
The way things are going Hamas has a better chance of taking control of the West Bank than the PA taking over Gaza.
I am fully aware they're viewed as collaborators and Israel doesn't trust them. That doesn't mean they aren't pretty much the only option though.
They are preferred to Israeli occupation or Israel placing their own authorities there. Otherwise we're looking at USA led coalition, also unpopular. There are no popular options, they are no options that anyone wants.
I am fully aware they're viewed as collaborators and Israel doesn't trust them. That doesn't mean they aren't pretty much the only option though.
They are preferred to Israeli occupation or Israel placing their own authorities there. Otherwise we're looking at USA led coalition, also unpopular. There are no popular options, they are no options that anyone wants.
Do you have any indication the PA would even want to do this? I assume they would perceive it as a no win suicide mission and have no interest. Do you have any information to the contrary?
https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/article-...
https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.voanews...
The second article is about why the PA is not in a position to govern, which I agree with, but it still suggests that the idea is being discussed.
So far it is the only somewhat realistic option being considered imo.
Do you have any indication the PA would even want to do this? I assume they would perceive it as a no win suicide mission and have no interest. Do you have any information to the contrary?
A meeting was apparently held between some other Palestinian groups on this, and Sinwar is said to have lost his mind in anger. I think that any group that comes in that isn't powerful, respected, and well armed, is going to get run over by the remainders of Hamas.
On that topic, right now it's about a 50 to 1 kill rate on Hamas vs IDF fighters. At that rate maybe this thing does have an end. Apparently the 2 big Hamas miscalculations were how well the IDF would manage in the tunnels, and how many (or how few) other militia groups would join the fight.
Btw the reason you come try to run Gaza is simple: $$$
https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/article-...
https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.voanews...
The second article is about why the PA is not in a position to govern, which I agree with, but it still suggests that the idea is being
It's being discussed because it's what the US prefers
Doesn't mean it's realistic
A meeting was apparently held between some other Palestinian groups on this, and Sinwar is said to have lost his mind in anger. I think that any group that comes in that isn't powerful, respected, and well armed, is going to get run over by the remainders of Hamas.
On that topic, right now it's about a 50 to 1 kill rate on Hamas vs IDF fighters. At that rate maybe this thing does have an end. Apparently the 2 big Hamas miscalculations were
Lol
A meeting was apparently held between some other Palestinian groups on this, and Sinwar is said to have lost his mind in anger. I think that any group that comes in that isn't powerful, respected, and well armed, is going to get run over by the remainders of Hamas.
On that topic, right now it's about a 50 to 1 kill rate on Hamas vs IDF fighters. At that rate maybe this thing does have an end. Apparently the 2 big Hamas miscalculations were
Qatar probably would want it. I have to think that's why they are pretending to be Switzerland in this
But i wouldn't trust them
rafiki claims 50 to 1 kill ratio and meanwhile the Hiz guys is talking ****.
--I think you are discounting how radicalized Gaza is and how widely the PA is viewed for being perceived as Zionist collaborators. The PA is not wanted at all in Gaza and they know it. Anyone they sent there would be in extreme danger, probably not too different than Israeli troops. Why do you think they are even willing? I haven't read anything to that effect.
PA has been trying to get control of Gaza ever since Hamas got elected. They'll take it and work with the Israelis to repress dissent, and remind the Israelis to not let a free election proceed in Gaza in the near future.
It’s going to have to be PA, Hamas, or Israeli occupation, assuming there’s anything left to govern.
You guys don’t think SA will be excited to collaborate in a genocide of Arab people?
Iran would love it for Saudi to come into Gaza. Would be open season on Saudi troops.
Also is the regular Saudi army competent at all? I'm sure they have all kinds of fancy training but coming into the Gaza aftermath with a remnant hostile force, they'll probably just be hiding in their green zone eating mortars all day and night.
Iran would love it for Saudi to come into Gaza. Would be open season on Saudi troops.
Also is the regular Saudi army competent at all? I'm sure they have all kinds of fancy training but coming into the Gaza aftermath with a remnant hostile force, they'll probably just be hiding in their green zone eating mortars all day and night.
That's another excellent point and another reason why SA won't be in Gaza. The principle enemies in the region are Iran and Saudi Arabia. SA having troops is Gaza, fighting against Iranian allies Hamas and Hezbollah would be gasoline on a fire and very likely trigger for war involving Iran and SA, possibly civil war in SA, and all of that would 100% mean massive US involvement.
Im telling you guys Hamas is not cool with Saudis and Salafism. the speculation about Saudi running Gaza makes no sense and is just based on ignorance that Mooslem Arabs are the same.
Lebanon? They could certainly use the money.
Let’s call up Hezbollah and see if they’re interested.
