Israel/Palestine thread
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But yeah, Israel is not all that safe for Jews. Jews are hated around the world and in the US for sure. Look at what happened in Pittsburg. Look at Charlottesville. Look at that ****ing Evangelical POS who spoke at the Israel rally. So, yeah, be vigilant in the US and Europe, but Israel is not really safe and the warmongering right-wing monsters in the government there have done their best to make sure that it won't be safe going forwa
Once Hezbollah and the North are handled, Israel is unquestionably the safest place to be Jewish day to day. It's just not close. As is, life is totally normal in a lot of the country (off the borders, out of missile range).
There's a price, obviously. Nothing in life is free. a 15 second run to a shelter is a thing (which is what some communities experience).
But being among people who love you, respect you, care about you, and help you every single day of your life is the precious outcome. And you guys aren't considering what that's worth in a world where antisemitism starts to bubble up.
And Jewsplaining the experience of Jews and where they're safe, lol. Let's take a breather chaps.
Once Hezbollah and the North are handled, Israel is unquestionably the safest place to be Jewish day to day. It's just not close. As is, life is totally normal in a lot of the country (off the borders, out of missile range).
There's a price, obviously. Nothing in life is free. a 15 second run to a shelter is a thing (which is what some communities experience).
But being among people who love you, respect you, care about you, and help you ev
You're nuts. You're afraid and you monger fear. Being openly Jewish in the USA and Europe is nowhere near as dangerous as you're suggesting. It's not what the people who say antisemitism doesn't exist are saying, but you're bonkers in the other direction. Bonkers.
I dont think Jews are hated in the USA. a few fringe psychos is not a good representation.
You're nuts. You're afraid and you monger fear. Being openly Jewish in the USA and Europe is nowhere near as dangerous as you're suggesting. It's not what the people who say antisemitism doesn't exist are saying, but you're bonkers in the other direction. Bonkers.
It is safer in Israel
Is safer in Israel for everyone, not just Jews
But it's becoming less safe to be Jewish in the US
My wife was told in her school that her jewish star offended some kids
There were much fewer chanukah menorahs displayed this year than in past years
We got an I stand with Israel lawn sign .. my wife is afraid to display it for fear of vandalism
I dont think Jews are hated in the USA. a few fringe psychos is not a good representation.
I think you're wrong and basically every single white christian who hates blacks and hispanics also hates jews and they hate asians too. People are pretty much either racists or they aren't. And more dangerous than just being despised, people are afraid of jews - they think jews control things. That's dangerous for jews.
3/4 of US Jews fear for their safety
You can downplay it if you want microbet. Or deny it. But things are getting bad
It is safer in Israel
Is safer in Israel for everyone, not just Jews
But it's becoming less safe to be Jewish in the US
My wife was told in her school that her jewish star offended some kids
There were much fewer chanukah menorahs displayed this year than in past years
We got an I stand with Israel lawn sign .. my wife is afraid to display it for fear of vandalism
Has it been vandalized? All you are saying is things have become less safe because you think it has. You're probably a fan of Newt Gingrich so I guess you're not averse to suggesting that that is what matters.
3/4 of US Jews fear for their safety
You can downplay it if you want microbet. Or deny it. But things are getting bad
Yeah, you monger fear and there's a market for it. You're mongering right now.
In this thread people tell Jews how Jewish life is, lol.
I have seen it all!
Listen to EVERY Jewish podcast. Go to synagogue. Sit shiva with people. Go to rabbinical talks. Go to community events. Go to social mixers. Read Jewish blogs.
And THEN, maybe, we can talk,
Lol the Jewsplaining, I love it.
Tomorrow we tell black people what life is like after slavery! Tune in!
Has it been vandalized? All you are saying is things have become less safe because you think it has. You're probably a fan of Newt Gingrich so I guess you're not averse to suggesting that that is what matters.
There have been vandalism of Jewish signs in my area
Mine is still in my living room because i didn't want to argue with my wife
The free Palestine protests are chalk full of Jewish kids and people know they are Jewish. One of my kids is one of those people. Her chances of being hurt by the police are a lot higher than of being hurt by Muslims.
The best part about Jewsplaining is in makes sense to the Jewsplainer. It always does.
And I'm not an invisible Jew. I lived at a Chabad and I worked for Chabad another time and I lived in a Hamagshamim Bayit.
I'm not talking about you Micro
There have been vandalism of Jewish signs in my area
Mine is still in my living room because i didn't want to argue with my wife
My wife put out one of those "there's no hate in this home" or something like that signs. I'm a bit worried it's going to cause some Trumpkin to egg our car or something, but so far we've been ok.
The free Palestine protests are chalk full of Jewish kids and people know they are Jewish. One of my kids is one of those people. Her chances of being hurt by the police are a lot higher than of being hurt by Muslims.
Yep and because of Jews like your child israel may cease to exist in a generation. And then when the next holocaust happens the final solution can be achieved .
You can be against the far right Israel policies. And you can be in favor of a free Palestinian state
If you want that, you should support Israel destroying hamas.
Tons of Israelis protested Netenyahu every week for a year. My rabbi went to Israel to protest, which i vehemently disagreed with, but was his right
But that changed on October 7. Israelis stopped protesting. 60% of Israelis dislike Bibi but 90% support the war to destroy hamas
So yes. I don't respect any Jew who right now feels the need to march to free Palestine .. Unless it's about freely Palestine from Hamas
If you like paraglider enthusiasts murdering your ravers, right?
Or watching your women paraded after being raped, right?
Or having your babies beheaded, right?
Or if you love Gazan fireworks, right?
If true, a great reason to stop the ethnically cleansing genocide.
If true, a great reason to stop the ethnically cleansing genocide.
We got an I stand with Israel lawn sign .. my wife is afraid to display it for fear of vandalism
If true, a great reason to stop the ethnically cleansing genocide.
Speaking antisemitism and murdering Jews, I watched Ordinary Men, The Forgotten Holocaust on Netflix last night. It's about the police units who killed a lot of Jews by firing squad. I learned that most of the murdering Germans were not compelled to shoot. They were allowed to refuse and there was no severe punishment. But, they weren't necessarily doing it because they hated Jews or anyone else. Some units had had their members recruited and/or indoctrinated, but the first ones didn't and they killed just as many Jews and had almost no one refusing even though many of them hated doing it and were traumatized. They did it mostly because of general nationalism/patriotism and not wanting to let their comrades down by refusing to do something that others would have to do.
I think it's very important to understand that most Germans were not monsters before they did the murdering. Germany was not more antisemitic than other European countries. Germans were regular people put into a Milgram Experiment and they did what the majority of people in the Milgram Experiment did.
I would suggest that people who think that either the average Hamas or the average IDF soldier is a monster consider that. Individuals differ sure, but every single population of people would act exactly the same under the those circumstances.
That's not true. You just live in a bubble.
Yep and because of Jews like your child israel may cease to exist in a generation. And then when the next holocaust happens the final solution can be achieved .
You can be against the far right Israel policies. And you can be in favor of a free Palestinian state
If you want that, you should support Israel destroying hamas.
Tons of Israelis protested Netenyahu every week for a year. My rabbi went to Israel to protest, which i vehemently dis
They did a survey in the south of Israel where it was the most anti-Bibi, pro Gazan bunch. In a blink now they're all basically "**** this". That's how betrayed they feel. Applications for guns at home went through the roof. Even the far left are supportive on the war against Hamas. Like I said, the country has never been this unified in my whole life. And this was at a time where a few months ago it was the most divided I'd seen it.
Hamas shot their shot. It has indeed produced a lot of what they intended. But I think it has also produced a lot of things they didn't intend. It didn't break the Israeli spirit, it only amplified it. And that's one miscalculation they continue to make at every turn.
This isn't Algeria in the 50's and 60's (from a guerilla tactics perspective). Those methods were adopted and copied by Hamas. But they simply aren't working. Israel won't break.
Yep and because of Jews like your child israel may cease to exist in a generation. And then when the next holocaust happens the final solution can be achieved .
If true, a great reason to stop the ethnically cleansing genocide.
Moreover, when the next Hitler comes through and posseses nuclear weapons, how easy would it be to take all the Jews out if they were gathered in one place?
That is the biggest reason for the Jewish people to resist the zionists' clearly failing dream.
