Israel/Palestine thread
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LOL. No. There are 1 million camera phones in Gaza. Everything happening is recorded. For example, today (like every day) Hamas chased off all the Palestinian civilians with machine gun fire to capture an aid truck for themselves. I know, because there is multiple recordings of it.
This is like 90% of Victor's posts, complete bullshit, which is why he never has any evidence at all if you ask for it.
Post the video.
Also, I'm not sure what you disagree with... You don't think they are using quadcopter drones to shoot people?
GAZA: The IDF said it assassinated a Hamas officer responsible for counter-espionage and investigations. A significant Israeli military force is fighting inside the Al-Shati refugee camp in northern Gaza.
A Qatari aircraft landed in Egypt, carrying prescription medicines for chronically ill Israeli hostages and medicine and aid for Gazan civilians, following a Doha-mediated deal between Israel and Hamas.
Senior Hamas leader Moussa Abu Marzouk tweeted that Israel will not conduct security checks for the trucks carrying medical aid into Gaza.
The issue triggered a domestic political storm in Israel, with PM Netanyahu seeking to distance himself from the decision not to inspect the convoys by claiming the IDF and security agencies were responsible. Minister Benny Gantz rebuked him, saying that the sole responsibility for the decision "rests on the political echelon, and only on us."
I think Bill Haywood posted a link to an article. I think this is the main source though: https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/60...
I posted these videos before the news came out that these people were fired upon bc I thought it was amazing that that many starving people were congregating.
maybe its all bullshit. dont believe your lying eyes Dun would say.
lol that's such fake news
That same image has been used for YEARS.
The SMASH system is a gun targeting system used to bring down UAVs. They have it working for handheld and on a mount. But this flying thing isn't live yet. And when it is, it's designed to take out UAVs.
do you deny that they are using drones with machine guns to kill "KHamas" members?
Aerial attacks from drones are a thing, typically with explosive devices. flying "SNIPER DRONES" are not a thing in 2024 on the battlefield.
so all of the Gazans eyewitnesses for the last 3 months are lying
I know they are using drones to kill Hamas. I have seen plenty of footage of this. I can even believe they have inadvertently killed civilians too, probably including Israeli hostages. That is how wars are. Wars suck. And the Palestinians suck because their entire society is organized around a never-ending war of conquest over Israel, irrespective of how that is going for them.
None of your videos demonstrate anything you say they do. You have probably posted 5,000 videos in this thread and pretty much none of them are substantiated by anything but "eyewitness reports". And this is in 2024 where surveillance is everywhere and everyone has a camera phone.
1 million camera phones, and not a single action shot of anything you are accusing Israel of. It is all "eyewitness reports." That says everything.
I know they are using drones to kill Hamas. I have seen plenty of footage of this. I can even believe they have inadvertently killed civilians too, probably including Israeli hostages. That is how wars are. Wars suck. And the Palestinians suck because their entire society is organized around a never-ending war of conquest over Israel, irrespective of how that is going for them.
None of your videos demonstrate anything you say they do.
ofc you are wrong and lying.
anyway, I want to see the video of KKKKKHamas shooting at Gazans that you claimed.
From the perspective of a soldier on the ground guarding a food truckload, the sight of a thousand desperate people surging towards you can be very scary. Add in the possibility that terrorists could be mixed in with the civilians and its a very dangerous situation. I can't tell from the video, but it very well could have been warning shots meant to keep the crowd from overrunning the trucks and harming or killing the soldiers in the process.
US soldiers faced similar situations when protecting UN food convoys in Somalia during the famine. You had starving crowds surging but also various warlord factions trying to steal the food. Tough spot for a few likely very young soldiers to be put in. Tougher spot for the civilians desperate for food. Easy spot for either side to make that video appear to show one thing or another.
ofc you are wrong and lying.
anyway, I want to see the video of KKKKKHamas shooting at Gazans that you claimed.
There is a lot of videos like this. Actual videos. Action shots. Not "eyewitnesses say..."
Some variation of armed Hamas members confiscating food trucks. I suspect the incidences where they actually shoot Gazan's are rare. Most of the time waving a machine gun around and firing a few warning shots is probably enough.
It is actually wild how you spend so much time looking at videos of the conflict, but you are in such a narrow propaganda loop you dont actually know very much about what is going on.
those videos dont show anything. gunmen guarding important resources seems normal.
as for the second video, its very hard to believe it is from this conflict given the scenery.
and I do see a lot of those videos, often they get quickly debunked in the comments as from a different place or year, like the second video.
those videos dont show anything. gunmen guarding important resources seems normal.
as for the second video, its very hard to believe it is from this conflict given the scenery.
It is always hard to tell what it going on, but at least there is something. Actual action shots.
You keep making posts along the lines of "Israel snipes Palestinians in bread line" and provide a bunch of links that show nothing but the after-affects of who knows what. 1 million camera phones and most of your accusations completely unsubstantiated by anything but "eyewitness reports."
Haven’t been to Iraq, yet
Israel is oppressing Palestine or Palestine is oppressing Israel. We are talking about the last 0-60 years.
internet and electricity is cut off in Gaza. maybe you missed that.
It is always hard to tell what it going on, but at least there is something. Actual action shots.
You keep making posts along the lines of "Israel snipes Palestinians in bread line" and provide a bunch of links that show nothing but the after-affects of who knows what. 1 million camera phones and most of your accusations completely unsubstantiated by anything but "eyewitness reports."
What other kinda reports do you want
I want to hear a report the Palestinians are willing to give back hostages, stop firing rockets into Israel, forsake their Jihad to destroy Israel, renounce antisemitism, and enter serious peace talks. But I am not holding my breath.
they have offered the hostages many times. Israel needs to give up their hostages.
they have offered to stop shooting rockets. Israel needs to end the occupation.
they have offered to de facto recognize Israel. Israel needs to end the occupation.
lol antisemtism. anyway, many leaders have said many times that they have no issue with the Jewish people and only oppose the Israeli occupation. can we get Israel to renounce racism of Palestinians? lol never.
without multi angles and high def videos from verified sources, how can we even know if he died? or died by Israeli shelling?
probably best to assume he was murdered by KHummus bc he loved Jews.
It is always hard to tell what it going on, but at least there is something. Actual action shots.
You keep making posts along the lines of "Israel snipes Palestinians in bread line" and provide a bunch of links that show nothing but the after-affects of who knows what. 1 million camera phones and most of your accusations completely unsubstantiated by anything but "eyewitness reports."
those videos dont show anything. gunmen guarding important resources seems normal.
as for the second video, its very hard to believe it is from this conflict given the scenery.
I want to hear a report the Palestinians are willing to give back hostages, stop firing rockets into Israel, forsake their Jihad to destroy Israel, renounce antisemitism, and enter serious peace talks. But I am not holding my breath.
That’s not what I asked you
Victor, maybe without realizing it, is basically saying it seems normal for Hamas to loot aid trucks and defend the loot with gunmen shooting at Gaza’s civilians.
What do you think is going to happen when resources enter a warlords area
Victor, maybe without realizing it, is basically saying it seems normal for Hamas to loot aid trucks and defend the loot with gunmen shooting at Gaza’s civilians.
first, we dont know if that is Hamas. second, we dont know what they are doing with it. if it was Hamas, my guess is that they were taking it to make sure the hostages got fed. that should make you and the rest of the Zionists happy.
what do you think should happen to the aid? first come first serve? orderly queue?
its a warzone where 90% of people are getting less than one meal per day. that is bc Israel decided to torture concentration camp victims.
first, we dont know if that is Hamas. second, we dont know what they are doing with it. if it was Hamas, my guess is that they were taking it to make sure the hostages got fed. that should make you and the rest of the Zionists happy.
what do you think should happen to the aid? first come first serve? orderly queue?
its a warzone where 90% of people are getting less than one meal per day. that is bc Israel decided to torture concentratio
Yet somehow when you watched a video of people running on a beach with gunshots in the background you were able to determine 100% that the shots were from Israeli's massacring civilians.
