Israel/Palestine thread

Israel/Palestine thread

Think this merits its own thread...

Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..

AM YISRAEL CHAI.


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07 October 2023 at 09:33 PM
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Raise your hand if you didn’t know tear gas /CS gas was an illegal chemical weapon


https://twitter.com/MiddleEastEye/status...

OK there, buddy

This guy needs a helmet. He should go outside a bang his head against something hard. Fkn ******.


by PointlessWords P

He’s/she prob talking about pepper spray or CS gas.

It was this


http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/20...



The human excrement known as brutal israeli occupiers have a long history of chemical weapon use on Palestinians.

And the Jews too who support peace.
https://www.972mag.com/this-is-what-it-l...

And reading through this thread, I just got to where you guys banned the Jew for coming on here sharing truth.

There is something drastically wrong with the narrative being pushed regarding everything zionist.


Ya the narrative is backwards. Twitter at least has a lot of truth. That's why the Zionists are courting Musk so much now.


So skunkwater and an unverified claim by Abby Martin who's going by the claim of"The Colombia Students for Justice in Palestine", who I'm sure are a valid source.

Your post was extremely disingenuous implying the actual IDF were there using actual chemical weapons. Reason eight million and four why nobody takes you remotely seriously.


by ossie P

The human excrement known as brutal israeli occupiers have a long history of chemical weapon use on Palestinians.

And the Jews too who support peace.
https://www.972mag.com/this-is-what-it-l...

And reading through this thread, I just got to where you guys banned the Jew for coming on here sharing truth.

There is something drastically wrong with the narrative being pushed regarding everything zionist.

Lol you mean Jacki Heil? He was about as Jewish as I am. πŸ˜†


by corpus vile P

So skunkwater and an unverified claim by Abby Martin who's going by the claim of"The Colombia Students for Justice in Palestine", who I'm sure are a valid source.

Your post was extremely disingenuous implying the actual IDF were there using actual chemical weapons. Reason eight million and four why nobody takes you remotely seriously.

Bruv the perpetrators have been identified by the students. They are IDF members.

It's not an unverified claim by Martin. It is an unverified claim by multiple victims. Unverified does not mean non-credible. Maybe the press and authorities should do their job and verify if this happened or if it's just a bunch of people getting on Twitter and lying.


Bruv you're full of $hite. As usual. But what else is new?
Unverified doesn't mean credible either. But hey glad we agree it's an unverified claim, just as we agree that Hamas are terrorists. You're making good progress mate. πŸ˜€


It's credible bc if you read the thread, it's obv that it happened.

You are changing the subject now but as usual, you are lying as I never claimed Hamas were not terrorists, I just asked for the criteria and unfortunately for the genocide apologists that criteria indicts Israel many times over.


No it's credible to you who thinks everyone here loves baby killing and AmeriKKKa/Israel/West bad everyone else (including Hamas) good, so nobody sane gives a ripe fu...cares what you think.


by Victor P

I just asked for the criteria and unfortunately for the genocide apologists that criteria indicts Israel many times over.

This is very true.

For the zionists, it's all about branding and human life somehow means nothing.

terrorist Ⓡ


by metsandfinsfan P

If hamas would surrender no more civilians would have to die

Sociopathic framing


by corpus vile P

No it's credible to you who thinks everyone here loves baby killing and AmeriKKKa/Israel/West bad everyone else (including Hamas) good, so nobody sane gives a ripe fu...cares what you think.

I dunno, you seem to care a lot. we can return to this story after it gets confirmed. can only imagine the response if the parties were flipped.


by Crossnerd P

Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
If hamas would surrender no more civilians would have to die

Sociopathic framing

It is also sadly incorrect. Palestinian society is completely in line with Hamas war of conquest against Israel, and their entire society is organized around the guerrilla war effort. Hamas disappearing would probably push back the aggressiveness and timeline of attacks on Israel, but it would do little to change the dynamics of the conflict or desires of the people.

Actually changing the paradigm would require aggressive deradicalization of Palestinian society itself, and no one inside or out the Muslim world has the desire and/or will to attempt this.


by Dunyain P

It is also sadly incorrect. Palestinian society is completely in line with Hamas war of conquest against Israel, and their entire society is organized around the guerrilla war effort. Hamas disappearing would probably push back the aggressiveness and timeline of attacks on Israel, but it would do little to change the dynamics of the conflict or desires of the people.

Actually changing the paradigm would require aggressive deradicalization

Another lovely, perverse moral inversion.

Crossnerd was right.

by Crossnerd P

Sociopathic framing


Sociopathic framing is the base of the nonstop, perverse moral inversions from these cowards.


by Victor P

I dunno, you seem to care a lot. we can return to this story after it gets confirmed. can only imagine the response if the parties were flipped.

Yeah with the emphasis on "story". You were being disingenuous. A student who's also an IDF reservist doesn't equate to IDF using chemical weapons on US soil. But you know this already.


It is wild watching the hundreds of miles of tunnels being destroyed in Northern Gaza knowing these were all built with Western "humanitarian aid" money (aka American tax dollars). Gaza probably has been given the equivalent of entire nations in "international aid" and has squandered most of it on their fruitless guerrilla war effort to conquer Israel.


by Dunyain P

You are right. They have lost control of most of the territory, half the buildings damaged or destroyed, 85% of people displaced, and have lost 20-30% of their own forces (estimate by US analysts). Why stop now and try to make things better for the people when everything is going so well?

They would surrender so that their people could survive

Oh wait. They don't give a **** about their people


by metsandfinsfan P

Not sure exactly what you are saying but Israel isn't coming close to committing genocide. If hamas would surrender no more civilians would have to die

What if they don't surrender? Should Israel then flatten Gaza out of existence or just use a tactical nuke or chemical weapons for convenience sake? At what point does the civilian toll outweigh the objective?


by Dunyain P

It is wild watching the hundreds of miles of tunnels being destroyed in Northern Gaza knowing these were all built with Western "humanitarian aid" money (aka American tax dollars). Gaza probably has been given the equivalent of entire nations in "international aid" and has squandered most of it on their fruitless guerrilla war effort to conquer Israel.

I wish UNRWA was legit and could ensure aid went where it was supposed to

I can dream


by corpus vile P

What if they don't surrender? Should Israel then flatten Gaza out of existence or just use a tactical nuke or chemical weapons for convenience sake? At what point does the civilian toll outweigh the objective?

They can just actually occupy it (not fake occupy like you all say they were doing pre Oct 7) and it can never get rebuilt if you prefer

Killing seems to have slown down tremendously. But Israel isn't just going to leave with hamas as the defacto government. It would be beyond stupid and irresponsible for them to,


by Dunyain P

It is wild watching the hundreds of miles of tunnels being destroyed in Northern Gaza knowing these were all built with Western "humanitarian aid" money (aka American tax dollars). Gaza probably has been given the equivalent of entire nations in "international aid" and has squandered most of it on their fruitless guerrilla war effort to conquer Israel.

by metsandfinsfan P

They would surrender so that their people could survive

Oh wait. They don't give a **** about their people

More lovely, perverse moral inversions.


And lol at this human excrement thinking anyone is buying it.


Just lovely, yes zionists?

Was the American guarding a command center?

HamasⓇ


by metsandfinsfan P

They can just actually occupy it (not fake occupy like you all say they were doing pre Oct 7) and it can never get rebuilt if you prefer

Killing seems to have slown down tremendously. But Israel isn't just going to leave with hamas as the defacto government. It would be beyond stupid and irresponsible for them to,

This will be an extremely ugly scenario and I doubt Israel wants to do this.


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