Israel/Palestine thread
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Of course they don't. They need to destroy hamas or have them surrender
They do not want to occupy it but i was asked to what end. I answered
You don't think they should withdraw with Hamas remaining in power do you?
They can just actually occupy it (not fake occupy like you all say they were doing pre Oct 7) and it can never get rebuilt if you prefer
Killing seems to have slown down tremendously. But Israel isn't just going to leave with hamas as the defacto government. It would be beyond stupid and irresponsible for them to,
it has not slowed down. dont post misinformation. and starvation is setting in. people are eating animal feed.
every day they report over 100 killed. its ofc much more bc people are dying of exposure, starvation, infection as well and many are not even found.
They can just actually occupy it (not fake occupy like you all say they were doing pre Oct 7) and it can never get rebuilt if you prefer
Killing seems to have slown down tremendously. But Israel isn't just going to leave with hamas as the defacto government. It would be beyond stupid and irresponsible for them to,
I never stated anything about fake occupation and I fully support Israel's existence and in principle its right to defend itself. The question remains if Hamas don't surrender. I don't have a problem with the IDF occupying Gaza rather than leave Hamas in charge, however weakened they may be. But they can't just keep obliterating Gaza killing thousands of civilians in the process. Again at some point the humanitarian cost outweighs the objective. Israel should attempt a buffer zone imo.
Somebody's found a new bff.
Gaza will not be rebuilt with hamas in power
And? Would destroying the entirety of Gaza to defeat Hamas be justified, for example?
What does “nothing left of hamas” actually mean when you all are saying it? Definition needed, otherwise how will you know when it’s achieved
It doesn't fit the facts
What does “nothing left of hamas” actually mean when you all are saying it? Definition needed, otherwise how will you know when it’s achieved
my expectation is that once the leadership are dead and the infrastructure (mainly the tunnels) are ctrl-alt-del'd then hamas will fall apart very quickly. local interests will start to jostle for post-hamas power, and the majority of the surviving foot soldiers will conclude that the shoah they were promised is very much off
nothing left of hamas, plenty left of gaza and the rest will be rebuilt with a non-holocausty government in charge
Okay. I get that and have zero problem with the eradication of Hamas. Honest question do you think this is the best way to do it? No matter what cost to the Gazan populace? Hamas won't surrender and don't care about the Gazan people and are indeed hoping more of them will be killed so they can turn world opinion against Israel. So what then? Keep up the bombing no matter how many civilians die? Is it worth it? Should maybe other methods be applied instead?
Okay. I get that and have zero problem with the eradication of Hamas. Honest question do you think this is the best way to do it? No matter what cost to the Gazan populace? Hamas won't surrender and don't care about the Gazan people and are indeed hoping more of them will be killed so they can turn world opinion against Israel. So what then? Keep up the bombing no matter how many civilians die? Is it worth it? Should maybe other methods be
Like ignoring them for years like they've done?
You guys think after Hamas is eradicated then the next group will just be good little capos?
If you mean in general then okay. I don't subscribe to the Israel Bad narrative. Nor do I regard them as occupiers/colonists/apartheid state and all the other bs that's flung their way and I think such accusations are at heart due to by a healthy dose of anti Semitism from some quarters. They can't use the destruction of Hamas as justification for their current methods though. The civilian cost is too great. Israel is better than that. They need to retain their humanity here.
If you mean in general then okay. I don't subscribe to the Israel Bad narrative. Nor do I regard them as occupiers/colonists/apartheid state and all the other bs that's flung their way and I think such accusations are at heart due to by a healthy dose of anti Semitism from some quarters. They can't use the destruction of Hamas as justification for their current methods though. The civilian cost is too great. Israel is better than that. The
I think the killing has slown down tremendously. Maybe from us pressure idk
Hamas is still shooting rockets now from civilian areas
So not sure what you expect Israel to do exactly but I'm open to anything
