The costs of trans visibility
Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....
For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and
. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.
What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.
We need to do better.
My family has paid millions and millions in taxes over the last decade. By that logic, I get a much bigger say.
Also, millions of lgbtqia people pay taxes.
No, u dont. Cause you not your family.
Lol why are u talking about your family paying taxes?
This can only mean you didn't pay a lot.
While all of that might all be true, the fact remains also true:
The trans rollout is a massive f up.
The making up of words, concepts, the mainstreaming of inanities like biological sex doesn't exist and a woman is anyone who feels he is a woman and 3y old kids already make gender determinations and so on.
The whole package of stuff no one left or right talked about outside some Marxists in academia, 15 years ago.
Where are the gays? They seem to get extinguished.
There is no more gay in today's classrooms it's only trans.
There isn't body dysmorphia either. There isn't puberty either.
If Prince was born in 1999 he would have been a woman now, right?
The letter salad acronym doesn't work on this topic (or any other), trans kid issues have 0 to do with homosexuality outside the fact that's homosexual kids being the subject of teacher conversion therapy toward trans-ness.
Is there any evidence that this is actually what's happening, or is this just your imagination? If you are going to continue to assert this as some real thing we need to protect against, you should provide some citation that you're not just fear mongering.
Is there any evidence that this is actually what's happening, or is this just your imagination? If you are going to continue to assert this as some real thing we need to protect against, you should provide some citation that you're not just fear mongering.
Just to be clear about how recent the "trans youth" nonsense thing is, the YRBSS survey in high school to measure how many kids are gay , only included hetero/gay/lesbian/bi/not sure options in 2015, under the famous trans phobic presidency of check notes... Obama
That was the first year they tracked that, and 6% said bi, 2% said gay, some didn't know.
Now gay increased 60%, bi doubled, and there is a 4% that includes self defined trans which is new.
Do you follow that whatever propelled more openness didn't work the same for bi and for gay?
That there is a 0.5-1% of respondents who's missing among gays and now self defines as trans? At an age at which just 10 years ago the Obama admin never even thought there were enough of them to justify checking if they were victims of abuse in school?
Do you understand these amount to 70-150k students who would have just self identified as gay, if it was just about "it's socially easier to come out" (the bi doubled), but instead self identify as trans? Ofc many of them won't end up on puberty blockers necessarily, nor the rest of "trans care", but given our prior was less than 1k of them historically would actually have been able to think of themselves as trans at that age, you tell me, how many gay kids were converted to trans ness?
If even one of ten of those who currently self identify as trans in high school end up on puberty blockers, and wouldn't have if we were in 2012, that's 7-15k people we, as a society, allowed to self sterilize when minors (+ the rest of the problems, if they do surgery, the increase in mental illness caused by those drugs and so on).
Which causal effect teachers have there is impossible to measure but they are a part of it, explicitly l, they have guidelines for it in major teachers unions!
Remember the historical baseline as well as the lived experience of everyone who is millennial or older is that trans youth doesn't actually exist in any sensible amount, there weren't 10+ people who clearly consistently identified as the opposite sex at 14y old in every school ffs, there were 0 in most schools. Most of us born in the 80s never heard anyone claiming they ever knew a single 14y claiming consistently to be of the opposite sex.
Where are the gays? They seem to get extinguished.
There is no more gay in today's classrooms it's only trans.
There isn't body dysmorphia either. There isn't puberty either.
If Prince was born in 1999 he would have been a woman now, right?
Do you cites for any of this?
I think there are way more openly gay students in classrooms today then ever, and way more than transgender students.
BDD has nothing to do with gender. Its a condition where people constantly find flws in their appearance, thinking they arent pretty enough.
Pretty sure there's lots of puberty to be found in schools. Like everywhere.
And why in the world do you think Prince would ne a woman today?
Just to be clear about how recent the "trans youth" nonsense thing is, the YRBSS survey in high school to measure how many kids are gay , only included hetero/gay/lesbian/bi/not sure options in 2015, under the famous trans phobic presidency of check notes... Obama
That was the first year they tracked that, and 6% said bi, 2% said gay, some didn't know.
Now gay increased 60%, bi doubled, and there is a 4% that includes self defined trans which
The historical baseline according to you didn't seek to find an answer to your question. Any number of 'I don't know', 'questioning' could fly into the % of trans people now
Just to be clear about how recent the "trans youth" nonsense thing is, the YRBSS survey in high school to measure how many kids are gay , only included hetero/gay/lesbian/bi/not sure options in 2015, under the famous trans phobic presidency of check notes... Obama
That was the first year they tracked that, and 6% said bi, 2% said gay, some didn't know.
Now gay increased 60%, bi doubled, and there is a 4% that includes self defined trans which
It’s amazing how much victim blaming is going on here. Even in the most tolerant lgbtq generation ever 72% are straight and another 15% are bisexual. Most bisexuals don’t end up with a same sex partner. Many end up in heterosexual marriages and very rarely same sex ones. So even in gen z, 90% of people are straight or bisexual or questioning types. The kinsey reports actually found a higher percentage of bisexuals about 100 years ago, and a lot of people have speculated that everyone is at least a little bit bisexual. You think a typical guy who is predominantly attracted to women but has had some gay thoughts was going to publicly label themselves as bisexual 30 years ago?
You have no idea how hard it is to come out but especially how hard it was to come out. Up untl very very recently, conversion therapy, insane asylums, more or less being banned from the community were the norm. In 2003 2 gay giys or lesbians kissing would result in jail time.
Are there that many trans kids in most schools now, or are you fearmongering ? I think if people on the internet went and touched grass and spent time shopping or at a sports game or any activity where you see a lot of people, go down a busy street, and were honest you’d see that very very very few people are visibly trans. Does this seem like a actual problem at like schools or out shopping? no, it’s all very very rare and not a problem for society at large at all. It’s all made up baseless fearmongering.
An advantage given to racial minorities in college admissions erases all of white privilege?
That's not what he said. Being white in a country that is majority white is a privilege as much as it's a privilege to belong to the ethnic majority in any country - go to Afghanistan, or Somalia, or China and see how far your white privilege goes.
South Africa…yikes
In all seriousness though, if you threw darts at a map being white as a foreigner is going to be way easier for you than being anything else on average
It’s like you said that without any idea how poorly black people are treated around the world lol
We’re also posting in a poker forum where if you’ve actually interacted with people outside of it you know white guys who live in countries where they are a minority in part because of privileges they’ll have being white
I'm not sure what the advantages of being white in Latin America are supposed to be but the disadvantages are pretty obvious
Easier to rent good quality apartments; disadvantages aren't obvious if the country has whites as well, unless you can't pass as local for other reasons
Even if you're a white latino you're frequently not going to be able to pass as a local.
White Argentinian girl I know was at a bank in Bogota and told they couldn't understand her and that they have people there who can speak English.
Meanwhile you stand out, make yourself a target for crime and get quoted higher prices.
That was the first year they tracked that, and 6% said bi, 2% said gay, some didn't know.
Now gay increased 60%, bi doubled, and there is a 4% that includes self defined trans which is new.
Do you follow that whatever propelled more openness didn't work the same for bi and for gay?
That there is a 0.5-1% of respondents who's missing among gays and now self defines as trans?
You are just pulling the assumptions out of thin air to make an argument that truly has no basis. You start with the idea that the increase in self-identified gay youth should be identical to the increase in self-identified bi youth -- it's not at all a given that this should be true. Then, you are saying that those that fit into that gap are the kids who are self-identifying as trans -- I see no reason to accept that this is truth either.
Which causal effect teachers have there is impossible to measure but they are a part of it, explicitly l, they have guidelines for it in major teachers unions!
And here again, you are just making things up to build an argument. Where in the teachers' guidelines does it talk about converting gay kids into being trans?
You are just pulling the assumptions out of thin air to make an argument that truly has no basis. You start with the idea that the increase in self-identified gay youth should be identical to the increase in self-identified bi youth -- it's not at all a given that this should be true. Then, you are saying that those that fit into that gap are the kids who are self-identifying as trans -- I see no reason to accept that this is truth either.
Because there were none in 2015, and now we go from 0.6 to 3% depending on state, 13-17y old, self defining as trans.
Do you think the Obama admin was transphobic?
That's not what he said. Being white in a country that is majority white is a privilege as much as it's a privilege to belong to the ethnic majority in any country
I don't get how your post related. He said that if being a racial minority were an advantage for college admissions, how can there be white privilege? I was pointing out that an advantage in one thing does not erase the rest of the privilege. How does who is privileged in other countries affect any of this discussion?
Because there were none in 2015, and now we go from 0.6 to 3% depending on state, 13-17y old, self defining as trans.
So you are just making this up. You see two numbers correlated at a point in time and just assume they are related.
Don't know, don't care. I only have so much time in the day and don't want to go down this random rabbit hole you just pulled out for no discernible reason.
Don't know, don't care. I only have so much time in the day and don't want to go down this random rabbit hole you just pulled out for no discernible reason.
I do because my whole claim is about the left having invented a phenomenon which never existed before ("trans youth").
So in showing how the left until very recently didn't actually talk about that, i talk about Obama, whose admin didn't even measure trans identification among minors because it was common knowledge among all decent people that it was minuscule/nonexistent, absolutely irrelevant.
Nowaday they are shocked the right legislates against pubery blockers for young kid, when until very recently they didn't even know what a puberty blocker was.
So would you ban teachers to suggest to a kid they might be trans, if they show any behavior stereotypically linked to the opposite sex?
A 11 y old might not yet be attracted sexually to either sex, but might have "gender non conforming" behavior (the language sounds Orwellian btw).
Would you accept to consider it a criminal matter if a teacher of a 10y girl who likes contact sports and is otherwise masculine in some aspects (prefers to play
lol, is this what these people imagine actually happens? Teachers can magically convert kids into becoming transgender? Delusional nonsense.
lol, is this what these people imagine actually happens? Teachers can magically convert kids into becoming transgender? Delusional nonsense.
Not all kids: unhappe, introvery, socially awkward homosexuals. A small subset of all kids, a subset of homosexuals. Lesbians much more than gays.
And most of them will only self-identify as trans for a while. Only a small portion will actually be permanently damaged by puberty blockers/surgery.
But even "only" a couple of thousands of homosexuals being on puberty blockers because they have been talked into actually being trans, and rewarded socially at school for their attempt at affirming as such, is a crime against humanity.
It's primum non nocere all along: it's better to delay puberty blockers for all of them, if doing so saves even a small number of them from being on puberty blockers without being trans.
You don't even think of prescribing a medical procedure with very significant permanent side effects on someone not capable of deciding for himself if you aren't absolutely certain that medical procedure is indispensable for that individual.
