The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition
Bad beats are part of the game. I understand that. But after absorbing more than my fair share on Poker Stars I switched to Full Tilt six months ago. The first few months were much better over on Full Tilt.
Now Full Tilt is worse than Poker Stars ever was. The past month has been brutal. Tonight I've had pocket aces six times. All six times I lost to someone with a lower pocket pair.
I can't tell you how many times (at least 100 times the past thee weeks) where someone needs one card, especially two or three hours into a tournament, and they hit when odds are 90 to 95% in my favor.
You tell yourself that's poker until it happens time after time after time.
I enjoy playing poker online but I'm about ready to give it up. There doesn't seem to be a site to where it plays out like a casino. You see bad beats in a casino but NOTHING like Full Tilt and Poker Stars back when I played over on that site.
Curious as to others observations. Is there a site that's on the up and up or is it time to retire from online poker where you start to get the feeling the deck literally is stacked against you?
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Edit/MH: See:
I hereby confirm what Bobo said for the record:
It is possible to rig random number generators. Everyone please refrain from making false statements about what I said and didn't say. I made that exact statement several times itt. Here, i acknowledged it.
It was acknowledged at least a combined 500 times from about every non-riggie posting itt, yet riggies keep repeating that point over and over, because they don't really care about correctnes
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Edit/MH: An interesting article from 1999: https://www.developer.com/tech/article.p...
Just from observations but I doubt online poker is rigged. These sites can and do shut down accounts. We see stables that collude and do other shady things on the site. If online poker was rigged, then we wouldn't see stuff like this. It's just that simple. These sites are raking in millions of dollars, why risk it for a few bucks?
Looks like a good video for one of the many threads about botting and colluding. Rigging? Not so much.
Makes sense as many of them would be incapable of beating the online games, and many of them may lack the technical skills to be competitive in that separate game type.
Refuse as in never play a live event ever - not really. Refuse in the sense that playing live is something they do once in a while for fun, but they have no interest in sitting next to smelly, whiny dudes for hours on end - yeah, plenty of players like that, some with casino
How dare you not wish him all the best. I command you to pm him an all the best. I command you to apologize to every riggie you humiliated in this thread on account of them now being proven right. Private botting and RTA existing years before public found out now coming to light. The riggies are all proven correct and I will remind you that there is an ultimate revenger of justice who vowed in his fury to get revenge on this world for their thefts as one of the listed sins he will return for.
Now make right by us and apologize, don't let your mocking of the truth snowball further.
Now that Monteroy has experienced his full humiliation and complete defeat to the riggies he mocked for all this time, this thread has become even more legendary than before.
We will not discredit Monteroys hilarious writing over the years. We recognize the laughter and joy we gained from his effort post beatdowns he delivered upon us. With all sincerity, thank you for your presence and writing Monteroy.
We will not hate Monteroy, we appreciate that if he was not here, this thread would never of been one of the beautiful online comedies that the internet ever had. If we ever discover that Monteroy hates the God of our King James Bibles, with this exception, it would be our duty to hate him in return. If he only hates us riggies, then we are to bless him and do good unto him. In doing so heaping coals of fire upon his head, as the scripture says.
Monteroy, if he cares more for his ego than the truth, may never post here again and we may never get his apology. Now that the jig is up and everyone is aware that cheating has been occurring the entire time with all the methods and the scope of corruption being revealed recently, there is no credible ground he can stand on and feel confident about anymore. Even he must admit it's always been rigged. Though if he stands on the ground of personal insults and mocking us, he will still feel confident, but we are immune from this after enduring it so long.
So Monteroy, from all us riggies unto you, ALL THE BEST!!!!
wait did i miss something was a rigged deal discovered anywhere?
For some reason KOFighter seems to be coming back from his stint here in 2020 and quoting a 2020 post. Maybe he's going to work his way through the six and a half thousand posts since then? Let's hope his further responses will be as engrossing.
Riggies always conflate site rigging with players cheating. No idea why.
Even if there was even one site which had convincing regulation, we should always assume there is built-in "accidental security flaws" that are leaked to various insiders like the recent GGpoker one which utilized a common emote. Just because after years the public finally uncovered that one, take it to the bank, there is many more undetected they still use.
Monteroy and his armies mocked you for trusting your senses, gaslighting you, showing no mercy and no consideration for us 9 to 5 riggies that just wanted a fair game, even if we were still gonna lose.
If you are a sincere truther, if you know that you are critically honest with yourself, trust your instincts more. Even if you aren't 100% right, your God-given radars are on to something.
It might be soulcrushing to realize you were swindled and kept denying what you knew all these years, but God is not mocked, whatsoever a man sows, that shall be reap.
FOR US RIGGIES WHO WERE SCAMMED:
If you are a sincere truther riggie at heart like most common men are, you are also likely still humble enough to believe the gospel and be 100% certain of your eternal life. If you are able to believe your sin was paid for by Jesus on the cross, you are guaranteed salvation from hell.
FOR THOSE WORKERS OF INIQUITY:
The thieves that intentionally cheated us commoners of our money are blinded to the truth and this life is their consolation. "Woe unto ye rich, for ye have received your consolation." He didn't say that statement in vain.
FOR MONTEROY:
I really got a heart for you man on account of your writing and effort posting. I can't help but think deep down you never hated us riggies and it was primarily for the sake of the comedy of this thread you pressed on. This whole thread is one of the funniest reads in internet history and always will be. Honestly if you sold a book of all your posts I'd buy it and campaign for others to buy it too. I hope you too will believe on Jesus so I can meet you in the new world one day.
Oh, my sweet summer child...
Seriously it's unfair that comedy writers get paid for their efforts and Monteroy who reminds me so much of 27bslash6 writing for some reason, did all this for free.
I earlier said he and his armies showed no mercy mocking us but that was an exaggeration and not true. He did show mercy by always suggesting us riggies never play again. He always kept offers open to take the time to read riggie hand history evidence too. If they did post the evidence, which of course hand history would prove nothing and always be explained away by variance, this is when Monteroys best comedy writing would come on display. "Stakes in which pennies are involved" type quotes come to my mind.
Of course it's likely Monteroy was accurately destroying most riggies, but also remains possible there was particular leaked security flaws which could let a user choose or know the next drawn card and a bot with this data is the one crushing them at the nanostakes. Afterall if you can make a working system for one stake it can work in all the stakes.
The riggies didn't think about the obvious angle, the software has plausible deniability security flaws built in to it and leaked to whoever the shot callers/software devs wanted. The sky is the limit for what info could be obtained by security flaws. In the recent GGpoker one it was Allin equity. If the rig is done in this way, it can always be explained and excused as accidental, legal blame could never be clearly placed on anyone, especially in most countries the poker software is hosted from.
Nevermind the easy cheats like bot farms and private RTA abuse that has been taking place since possibly the beginnings of online poker (When RTA went public it should be assumed it's been privately in use for at least a decade).
The best and easiest way to cheat is just old fashioned security flaw superuser type cheating and the people who it's leaked to just ensure their winrates stay within normal crusher range. Hell they could even have bot software that can interpret the security flaws info to play for you and keep winrates within normal range. That allin equity info on GGpokers built in security flaw from the emote is a money printer for anyone who knew it. Independent people finding it on their own and abusing it with too much greed is the only way it was ever caught.
Obviously there is gonna be more sec flaws to abuse for the evil men who eat good off our deposits.
MONTEROY WAS RIGHT, IF YOU ARE JUST A NORMAL COMMONER RIGGEY, FLEE ONLINE POKER.
Online poker is now seen as worse than slot machine tier gambling to me.
Are you like buttoning your own posts? Lmfao
ok, i'm in for a +1
For some reason KOFighter seems to be coming back from his stint here in 2020 and quoting a 2020 post. Maybe he's going to work his way through the six and a half thousand posts since then? Let's hope his further responses will be as engrossing.
yeah thats what i thought. thanks mate
its super weird isn't it? I think nobody ever suggested there weren't cheaters in poker or pretty much any type of competition with money wagered on it. Man there has been cheating in professional fishing for ****s sake.
Even if there was even one site which had convincing regulation, we should always assume there is built-in "accidental security flaws" that are leaked to various insiders like the recent GGpoker one which utilized a common emote. Just because after years the public finally uncovered that one, take it to the bank, there is many more undetected they still use.
Monteroy and his armies mocked you for trusting your senses, gaslighting you, showi
Dude what the hell are you on about? There hasn't. been any rig proven. Nobody said there aren't cheaters. There are all kind of cheaters. Just not the type that can make sure a specific card peels of the deck in a key spot. Not in online poker at least thats only happening in live poker settings.
https://play.globalpoker.com/hand/6b44fd...
All day and night. Any time I sit down. For years.
I know. It's variance, right? Well then...the game's kind of pointless.
https://play.globalpoker.com/hand/6b44fd...
All day and night. Any time I sit down. For years.
I know. It's variance, right? Well then...the game's kind of pointless.
ffs, bet bigger on the flop. lol, true, but just bustn on ya. those are not fun outcomes. your opponent was probably thinking over cards in comparison to the flop was a big deal. you really should do well v that player long term.
https://play.globalpoker.com/hand/6b44fd...
All day and night. Any time I sit down. For years.
I know. It's variance, right? Well then...the game's kind of pointless.
It wouldn't be poker without variance...
[I've Been playing on ACR now for a couple years I have over 200,000 Hands played! I've been noticing A trend that is happening More then it should be....
1.) I've noticed if your the one Jamming/Going ALL IN! I'm really confident it gives you a edge to win the hand no matter what the holdings are! I've started documenting how many times I've lost and won on both sides of the equity percentages!
For instance how many times I jam all in and am 80%+ to win and I end up losing. And visa Versa how many times I Jam/ALL IN and I'm the underdog 2-20% to win and end up winning. I'm not done with all the testing but I know from experience and from the time playing in the site, you have a better chance of winning if you are the player going all in no matter what the equity is. It's as if the software awards aggression! Which I know in Live poker being aggressive can help you win more pots! But it doesn't change the outcome of what cards come on the flop turn and river like it does on ACR.... Like Sammy Farha said "The One Who Bets The Most Wins. Cards Just Break Ties."
I will write more on this subject again soon, after more analysis and evidence to support my theory. I encourage everyone who plays on this site to take a deeper dive for themselves and all us players to have a fair playing experience... I'm certain if a investigation was to happen something would come of this... At least take a look into the software and the RNG!! I look forward to hearing back from you all! Good Luck On the Felt!]
Great work. Monteroy will not respond because he knows the veil has been lifted. Rigging and cheating at cards go back to ancient times. There is nothing new under the sun!
...because he hasn't posted on 2+2 in 4 months?
he knows the veil has been lifted. Rigging and cheating at cards go back to ancient times. There is nothing new under the sun!
Oh. OK then.
I guess you would know, as you seem pretty obsessed with him.
[I've Been playing on ACR now for a couple years I have over 200,000 Hands played! I've been noticing A trend that is happening More then it should be....
1.) I've noticed if your the one Jamming/Going ALL IN! I'm really confident it gives you a edge to win the hand no matter what the holdings are! I've started documenting how many times I've lost and won on both sides of the equity percentages!
For instance how many times I jam all in and am
How exactly does the site benefit from this and why the hell arent you benefiting from this. If I found out about this i would be 4 bet shoving my small suited aces all day long until the cows come home!
