US Immigration Crisis
I didn’t see an immigration thread so I figured I would add one. This problem seems to be worsening everyday of the current admin. Hopefully some of our new elected officials can help with this. Mr. Luttrell is a great start
It's the aggregate contribution over time of yourself, and your relatives, compound by interest
those aren't your contributions. as i said mine probably did more than most, and it's still not anything attributable to me vs attributable to someone born in a poorer circumstance. the patch of dirt i ended up on just happened to be more stable than the patch of dirt they ended up on.
those aren't your contributions. as i said mine probably did more than most, and it's still not anything attributable to me vs attributable to someone born in a poorer circumstance. the patch of dirt i ended up on just happened to be more stable than the patch of dirt they ended up on.
This is like the bedrock of leftist/progressive ideology.
Denying the value of bloodlines, of family, the fundamental pillar of inheritance, and going allin on the veil of ignorance idea that you are born through a lottery.
You don't exist outside of an interrupted chain of choices and events affecting your ancestor.
There is no you outside that gets assigned randomly among newborns, so that you are "lucky" to exist in a country versus another.
You only exist as the child of specific parents, and you wouldn't exist otherwise.
There is no lottery of birth, same as saying that your legs were lucky because you bought them pants would be a nonsense. Your legs exists only as a part of you, you exist only as part of your bloodline.
When you are born you embody the contributions of your ancestors, and what you deserve in life comes out of those.
The ironic part is that the left kinda gets it when it talks about present day people collective responsibility for events in the past that were bad (natives genocide, black slavery, wars and so on).
Well it works for anything good as well, and for western countries the accumulated good is insanely more than the accumulated bad, you should be proud of your ancestors and feel you fully deserve any benefit you are getting from having had such ancestors.
Because you do
This is like the bedrock of leftist/progressive ideology.
Denying the value of bloodlines, of family, the fundamental pillar of inheritance, and going allin on the veil of ignorance idea that you are born through a lottery.
You don't exist outside of an interrupted chain of choices and events affecting your ancestor.
There is no you outside that gets assigned randomly among newborns, so that you are "lucky" to exist in a country versus another
the bedrock of progressive ideology is that everyone deserves equal treatment and opportunity. it's not "denying bloodlines" whatever weird probably racist thing that means to say that i personally had nothing to do with the fact that my grandfather was on the beach in normandy nor that my great whatever amount of great relative fought in the union army during the civil war.
and no the left doesn't "get it" when it talks about collective bad. that's a right wing boogeyman. no one is saying you specifically owe a debt because your ancestors were bad. the left is saying we need to come together and try to make the people who's families suffered whole and try to get them on equal footing with the rest of us that didnt suffer. which is entirely consistent with what i'm saying.
When they immigrate legally, no, even if sometimes they can be net tax takers, that's a choice the host country makes so it's not stealing.
When they immigrate illegally and are net tax takers , that's stealing.
Laughably incorrect. Immigrants work harder than anyone else in America, and they're not stealing a damn thing by walking over an invisible line.
Laughably incorrect. Immigrants work harder than anyone else in America, and they're not stealing a damn thing by walking over an invisible line.
You can't use the contributions of STEM PhDs to claim the uneducated benefits the country.
Immigrants in average are a positive for society obviously.
Uneducated low skilled immigrants not so much. They are fiscal takers.
People aren't all the same
the bedrock of progressive ideology is that everyone deserves equal treatment and opportunity. it's not "denying bloodlines" whatever weird probably racist thing that means to say that i personally had nothing to do with the fact that my grandfather was on the beach in normandy nor that my great whatever amount of great relative fought in the union army during the civil war.
and no the left doesn't "get it" when it talks about collective
You can't have equal opportunity without massive violence, that's the point.
We are all extremely different and rankable on several measurable axis in what our talents are.
DNA matters a lot, family upbringing matters a lot.
In order to have equal opportunity, or to strive toward it, you have to massively penalize people with better DNA and better families.
If you think there is a moral obligation to pay reparations, you are saying there is a responsibility. You don't owe money to someone if you aren't personally responsible of anything!
Any talk of reparations (to natives, to blacks, whatever) starts from considering present day people personally responsible for the actions of their ancestors.
You can't use the contributions of STEM PhDs to claim the uneducated benefits the country.
Immigrants in average are a positive for society obviously.
Uneducated low skilled immigrants not so much. They are fiscal takers.
People aren't all the same
Balderdash. The people building houses, roads, picking crops, sanitation, driving trucks etc are the people who build wealth for a country.
Do you think DNA plays no role in talents, IE in the capacity to generate resources, contribute to the well being of yourself, your family, the society you live in?
IQ is inheritable and more and more important for income (and income is a decent proxy of your contributions to society).
But it's not IQ only, everything useful in life is inheritable, every behavioral propensity is.
From favoring long term considerations to short term ones ("marshmallow test") to propensity to sacrifice for goals to willpower in general defined as the capacity of doing what you think is right for you even if your emotional pulsions would make you behave otherwise.
Propensity to take risk is inheritable, extroversion is inheritable and so on.
Political attitude is inheritable as well.
What constitutes a better DNA can change depending on circumstances (some talents that made people very good farmers aren't necessarily going to be particularly useful in post industrial societies), but some talents are broadly useful in most contexts (IQ and willpower for ex), as well as good (physical and mental) health conditions, which, try to guess, are broadly inheritable as well, although this is in particular is less relevant today than in the past.
If person A has 130 IQ , no weak organ, no chronic inheritable disease, no inheritable mental illness (bipolarismo, schizofrenia), he is taller than average as a man, more beautiful (again all inheritable traits) he is going to have a much much much easier life (= ->> more opportunities!) than someone lacking all or part of that.
In order to get the IQ 82, ugly short bipolar man to the same level of opportunity you need violence to the order of something like 80-90% marginal income tax for the IQ 130 family (redistributed to the IQ 82 family), and probably need to keep the IQ 130 guy in a dark room in solitary as a kid for years to try to reach an equal level.
If you let both live normally by the age of 6, even if family/environment was otherwise equal, their differences would be so stark, so gigantic in every possible measurable variable you could care about that no future "redistributive justice" could ever solver them.
We have 2 incredible historical examples, Italian surnames of rich people in Florence in the Renaissance correlating to present day income of people with the same surname , and China where the children and grandchildren of the intellectual and business elite wiped out during the cultural revolution, tortured, killed, deprived of all property, still have outcomes far better than the average chinese person.
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We have 2 incredible historical examples, Italian surnames of rich people in Florence in the Renaissance correlating to present day income of people with the same surname , and China where the children and grandchildren of the intellectual and business elite wiped out during the cultural revolution, tortured, killed, deprived of all property, still have outcomes far better than the average chinese person.
This is just all complete and utter garbage. The offspring of the very wealthy usually turn out to be complete POS and worthless business people. Despite these facts, the laws allow them to hold onto the money and pass it down to the next worthless generation as well. Being a member of the lucky sperm club does not mean you inherit better dna,which explains why you enjoy better living conditions.
This is just all complete and utter garbage. The offspring of the very wealthy usually turn out to be complete POS and worthless business people. Despite these facts, the laws allow them to hold onto the money and pass it down to the next worthless generation as well. Being a member of the lucky sperm club does not mean you inherit better dna,which explains why you enjoy better living conditions.
That's the offspring of exceptional people who had average relatives, that's mean reversion.
Having an IQ of 145 if most of your blood relatives have 102 is not the same as having 130 with most of your blood relatives having 130.
The law still allows mediocre offspring to benefit because that's about the deceased property rights... He chooses who benefits from his accumulated property, simple as that.
Are you a negationist of DNA contributios to all behavioural traits that matter for personal success?
Birth rates are plummeting, populations are aging and labor is increasingly scarce.
Unless we determine the right way to receive more immigrants, our way of life is in danger.
In other words, the absence of immigration would collectively
threaten us more than the problems caused by the current migrant crisis.
Birth rates are plummeting, populations are aging and labor is increasingly scarce.
Unless we determine the right way to receive more immigrants, our way of life is in danger.
In other words, the absence of immigration would collectively
threaten us more than the problems caused by the current migrant crisis.
yes.
Which doesn't mean you can't filter for good immigrants, at least until you have more people who want to come than what you need to keep the demographic pyramid decent.
Those people on the border are basically the last ones you want it, only if desperate, only if no one else wants to come.
Start by accepting people who can actually afford a plane ticket, already speak english, and are educated with a skillset that job markets actually need. After that you move to non educated skilled labor, then to non educated unskilled labor.
It's so funny that people think that people that are against ILLEGAL immigration are against immigration in general. That's so far from the truth
Of course we need immigrants
It's so funny that people think that people that are against ILLEGAL immigration are against immigration in general. That's so far from the truth
Of course we need immigrants
because the republican politicians and a lot of their constituency don't believe that.
and if they do, they want WHITE immigrants. or like luciom they want to preside over and pick only ones they deem worthy.
because the republican politicians and a lot of their constituency don't believe that.
and if they do, they want WHITE immigrants. or like luciom they want to preside over and pick only ones they deem worthy.
Well duh of course the majority of illegal immigrants should be the ones that will contribute to society and be worthy. That is how most countries do it . That doesn't mean you do not allow for a % of refugees .
I think even Republicans do not care about the color of their doctor just the fact they can see a doctor
It's so funny that people think that people that are against ILLEGAL immigration are against immigration in general. That's so far from the truth
Of course we need immigrants
lol no, the GOP took unprecedented steps to stop legal immigration as well, and the head of the party routinely slams immigrants from Muslim countries and "shithole" nations. Your typical Republican voter is absolutely against non-white immigration.
Well duh of course the majority of illegal immigrants should be the ones that will contribute to society and be worthy. That is how most countries do it . That doesn't mean you do not allow for a % of refugees .
I think even Republicans do not care about the color of their doctor just the fact they can see a doctor
yeah. the last line of your post is absolutely false. and it's not how ours should do it. we're the nation of immigrants.
yeah. the last line of your post is absolutely false. and it's not how ours should do it. we're the nation of immigrants.
You don't think Canada isn't a nation of immigrants. We took in almost 1/2 a million last year. You can be a nation of immigrants and still select the folks you want .
Oh right all Republicans are racists
