The costs of trans visibility
Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....
For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and
. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.
What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.
We need to do better.
I took the 3% figure from your post. Was your post incorrect?
Because if it were such a fast going problem, I would expect of the millions of self reporting trans adolescents, more than 3% having a gender Dysphoria diagnosis and only 33% of them being receiving medication and around 800 surgical procedures. It’s as if your belief that this is a massive money making trend in the U.S. is just complete bullshit.
In my post i wrote 3% for new york state, not nationally. I also wrote that the 3% was the highest of all states
K found the source. It's up to 2021 (and we know the trend is growing massively since then), and it's "only" 776 breast removals (walk me through why I can't call it chopping off?) for non medical reasons (gender dysphoria) covered by insurance + unknown amount paid out of pocket.
How would you feel if you told me that police killed 776 unarmed black people in 5 years, with the amount growing by 50%+ each year, and you wanted to try to signi
Trying to compare the deaths of black people to gender-affirming surgeries that might save their lives is quite the comparison. The death of an unarmed black person is a ****ing tragedy. A trans person helping reduce their gender dysphoria with a common medical procedure that millions of people have for other medical reasons like cancer is just not even if the same category of badness even if you think it is bad.
Regardless, the point is that in a nation of 330 million people, that the number of bottom surgeries in this category is measured in the dozens isn't an appropriate cause for the moral panic among right wing politicians to start legislating everything anti-trans they can think of.
I'll ask it again. If genitals don't determine gender, how does surgically altering the genitals help gender dysphoria??
I'll ask it again. If genitals don't determine gender, how does surgically altering the genitals help gender dysphoria??
It's how you show your commitment to the façade.
Like, that one French dude can walk around all day telling people he's actually an alien, and people might say, "Yeah, okay sure Anthony", but nobody is going to buy his nonsense.
But when this guy rolls up and says he's an alien, you at least do a double-take before remembering that words have meaning.
If you feel like an alien and the mirror shows that image back at you, it's much easier to believe your own lies.
because it isn’t sexual, it’s being a gender you were not assigned at birth. It used to be called transsexual largely because of the pioneering work of magnus hirschfield, he was incorrect about that terminology despite being an incredible person who was ahead of his time.
because it isn’t sexual, it’s being a gender you were not assigned at birth. It used to be called transsexual largely because of the pioneering work of magnus hirschfield, he was incorrect about that terminology despite being an incredible person who was ahead of his time.
How can they innately be of a gender, if gender is a social construct
In my post i wrote 3% for new york state, not nationally. I also wrote that the 3% was the highest of all states
????? I don’t see you claimed the increases were only for New York.
Posts 3641. You claimed trans reporting at 4%. So we are talking about 1.72 million kids correct?
????? I don’t see you claimed the increases were only for New York.
Posts 3641. You claimed trans reporting at 4%. So we are talking about 1.72 million kids correct?
You are literally quoting me saying from 0.6 to 3% depending on state lol
I wrote 4% INCLUDES self defined trans, it's also multigender and whatnot.
Race is also a social construction.
Just as black people in america have innate characteristics they are born with that make them black in america so too do trans people, despite race and gender being social constructions.
Race is also a social construction.
Just as black people in america have innate characteristics they are born with that make them black in america so too do trans people, despite race and gender being social constructions.
Then define transgenderism without using gender which is a social construct.
If transgenderism is an innate characteristic of some individuals, you should be able to objectively define it in a way that an observer not knowing what that is, nor what gender constructs exist outside of biology, would understand.
Can you? Because I can define tran sexualism with biological sex.
Otherwise it's a circular (=meaningless) definition.
Then define transgenderism without using gender which is a social construct.
If transgenderism is an innate characteristic of some individuals, you should be able to objectively define it I'm a way that an observer not knowing that that is, nor what gender constructs exist outside of biology, would understand.
Can you? Because I can define tran sexualism with biological sex.
Otherwise it's a circular (=meaningless) definition.
It’s simple. They are the gender they claim. Trans women are women. Trans men are men. So I would just define them as men and women.
It’s simple. They are the gender they claim. Trans women are women. Trans men are men. So I would just define them as men and women.
If man and woman are the words for socially constructed genders, which are the words for the biological sexes?
If being trans means "being the gender you claim" isn't everyone trans?
If man and woman are the words for socially constructed genders, which are the words for the biological sexes?
If being trans means "being the gender you claim" isn't everyone trans?
There is no “transgenderism”. Trans people were incorrectly assigned a gender and treated as a gender they are not. Cisgender people were correctly assigned a gender and treated correctly. So most people are cisgender.
There is no “transgenderism”. Trans people were incorrectly assigned a gender and treated as a gender they are not. Cisgender people were correctly assigned a gender and treated correctly. So most people are cisgender.
If the totally of the problem was other people treating them "as a gender they were not", why are any body modification necessary for them to come whole? Isn't social acceptance of them being the gender they claim the only thing, under your definition?
If the totally of the problem was other people treating them "as a gender they were not", why are any body modification necessary for them to come whole? Isn't social acceptance of them being the gender they claim the only thing, under your definition?
It’s not always necessary, which answers jjlous question about why there is such a small number of the surgeries done compared the number of non-binary and trans people. However these surgeries often help trans people be seen as the gender they actually are(amongst other things) which is important for your well being. Being seen and treated as the wrong gender is very hurtful. Trans people are currently pretty far from being treated as equals in society at large; it’s discrimination.
By the way it’s weird that every thread about trans people becomes a discussion about surgery, it’s a very private matter and has nothing to do with the op.
Sorry but permanent modifications to minors, which ones are allowed, to which extent, why and so on are very much a public not private topic.
Very early in the thread I made it clear I could care less what adult trans people do, if they pay out of pocket.
If someone wants to charge the public for something though, it again becomes a public topic not a private one.
We should be talking more about people like Dylan Mulvaney and people like Brianna Ghey in this thread. But it’s clear to me that many aren’t interested in sincere discussions about people like that; this thread shows you some of the costs of trans visibility.
Sorry but permanent modifications to minors, which ones are allowed, to which extent, why and so on are very much a public not private topic.
Very early in the thread I made it clear I could care less what adult trans people do, if they pay out of pocket.
If someone wants to charge the public for something though, it again becomes a public topic not a private one.
But over 99% of surgeries on minors are performed on cisgender minors. It seems like an odd thing to excessively talk about
But over 99% of surgeries on minors are performed on cisgender minors. It seems like an odd thing to excessively talk about
We wouldn't talk much about it if after banning the practice for minors we didn't hear that "we were causing the suicide of trans youth" you know?
Also it's not just about surgery, puberty blockers ban for disphoria is being discussed (and legislated) as well
We wouldn't talk much about it if after banning the practice for minors we didn't hear that "we were causing the suicide of trans youth" you know?
Also it's not just about surgery, puberty blockers ban for disphoria is being discussed (and legislated) as well
Discrimination is causing the suicides of trans youth. The ways of thinking proposed by a number of posters in threads like these is causing suicides in lgbtq communities right now.
