The costs of trans visibility
Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....
For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and
. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.
What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.
We need to do better.
No, not Jews coordi. People, human beings, with financial incentives. Transgender hormones/surgery/treatment is big business. It's kind of ironic you think the entire medical industry has these people's best interests in mind but would probably disagree with the price of insulin or other lifesaving drugs, or the pushing of Ozempic instead of the gutting of the corn syrup industry, or the price of health insurance, or the fact there is a dru
Even if all this was 100% accurate, which it isn’t, individual patients, families and doctors making medical decisions is still a better system then a bunch of politicians and indirect or direct payors making blanket declarations of what is the right treatment for these patients. Offer up an alternative that isn’t so ludicrous as complete bans.
Even if all this was 100% accurate, which it isn’t, individual patients, families and doctors making medical decisions is still a better system then a bunch of politicians and indirect or direct payors making blanket declarations of what is the right treatment for these patients. Offer up an alternative that isn’t so ludicrous as complete bans.
I don't think you'd have a single person in here debating whether or not this treatment should be available to consenting adults. People take issue though when kids are targeted, and in some cases parental consent removed entirely such as that glorious democratic beacon of light that is Canada. Though, ironic again, I'm guessing you do not object to a bunch of politicians and indirect or direct payors making blanket declarations of what a parent can consent to regarding their own child, do you?
I think the concern over children is warranted. Children are highly vulnerable and suggestible and generally incapable of critical thinking.
No, not Jews coordi. People, human beings, with financial incentives. Transgender hormones/surgery/treatment is big business. It's kind of ironic you think the entire medical industry has these people's best interests in mind but would probably disagree with the price of insulin or other lifesaving drugs, or the pushing of Ozempic instead of the gutting of the corn syrup industry, or the price of health insurance, or the fact there is a dru
And the socio-political incentives. There is a huge conflict of interest with so many people deriving meaning from political advocacy on behalf of the marginalized and the reality that trans are currently in the spotlight.
If there were fewer trans people, then that would be a problem for these addicts. Parasites need hosts and not all hosts are equal. Affirming a tomboy as a female just doesn’t provide the same high as affirming a trans youth does.
And the socio-political incentives. There is a huge conflict of interest with so many people deriving meaning from political advocacy on behalf of the marginalized and the reality that trans are currently in the spotlight.
If there were fewer trans people, then that would be a problem for these addicts. Parasites need hosts and not all hosts are equal. Affirming a tomboy as a female just doesn’t provide the same high as affirming a
Well yes I mean if a product is profitable enough, there will be oodles and oodles of money dumped into increasing the market size, marketing to new segments, normalization, you name it. I really do think it very strange the shift in left-wing thinking in the past 30 years. Slap an 'oppressed minority' sticker on something, and nowadays leftists will foam at the mouth and do all the corporate dirty work to maximize profit for the shareholders. Kinda sad, really.
The question then becomes, why are you so concerned about .000008% of the under 18 population getting surgeries deemed medically pertinent by health care professionals?
Certainly there are more important and bigger issues to be concerned about?
Because this is one of the issues people are talking about here.
Why are you so concerned that 10 people you don't know are against these surgeries?
Should parents have the final say on what medical treatment their children get, or should politicians step in and force them?
As with everything else, I think the right answer here is: it depends.
Do I support the state forcing parents to give blood transfusions against the parent wishes/religious beliefs? Yes.
Do I think teenagers should be able to have a confidential doctor patient relationship (supported by law) which keeps the doctor from disclosing birth control usage, sexual activity, STDs, etc. to parents at the patient's request? Yes
Do I think parents should have the ability to make decisions regarding gender affirming care despite politicians and payors objections? Yes.
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According to the American Society of Plastic and Reconstructive Surgeons (ASPS), in 2020, nearly 230,000 cosmetic surgeries and nearly 140,000 non-invasive cosmetic procedures were performed on teens ages 13-19.Jul 26, 2021
3;200 breast augmentations in 2020.
Why aren’t you guys up in.arms about these mutilations of c
I'm pretty sure we are mostly just as "up in arms" about those as well. I certainly am. I expressed my opinion about breast reduction surgery on minors and you insulted me.
If there were a thread about minors getting cosmetic surgeries I would probably participate in it as well.
I'm pretty sure we are mostly just as "up in arms" about those as well. I certainly am. I expressed my opinion about breast reduction surgery on minors and you insulted me.
If there were a thread about minors getting cosmetic surgeries I would probably participate in it as well.
Right, because we have pages and pages of people fighting against adolescent plastic surgeries, with or without parental consent, because we need to protect the impressionable children. Where is the legislation and political movement for the banning of such care?
I know it's hard for you to believe but 99.9% of your moralizing and mistaken belief that you have the right to comment on, dictate or control other people's medical care warrant a simple "shut the **** up and mind your own business you silly, self righteous pos" response. So do my opinions about others medical care. Because people's medical decisions don't need to be justified to us.
The fact that you don't understand that your opinion about a teenage breast reduction done with parental approval for a medical reason does not deserve any consideration based on the factors of age of the patient or the source of payment is definitely a "you" problem.
Sorry I don't feel the need to engage in serious debate about your reasoning here. Somethings just aren't worthwhile pursuits.
Instead of going around in a circle about “constructs” and what not. Let’s look at where this nonsense originated from. This is all deconstructionist “Frankfurt School” bullshit.
The whole idea of “cultural deconstruction” is a liberal Jewish device meant to disrupt cultural cohesiveness among western White peoples.
Kevin Macdonald has a nice book on this issue called “Culture of Critique”. It is worth a read before going down the rabbit ho
I am no longer an active moderator of this forum, so I'll leave the ultimate decision to browser and ganstaman, but at a minimum, this post should result in a ban with a zero tolerance policy going forward. For those who are unaware, Kevin MacDonald is mainly known for being an antisemite and a white supremacist.
Here is the thesis of the book that flair is urging everyone to read:
MacDonald is known for his promotion of an antisemitic theory, most prominently within The Culture of Critique series, according to which Western Jews have tended to be politically liberal and involved in politically or sexually transgressive social, philosophical, and artistic movements, because Jews have biologically evolved to undermine the societies in which they live.[11][12][7] In short, MacDonald argues that Jews have evolved to be highly ethnocentric, and hostile to the interests of white people. In an interview with Tablet magazine in 2020, MacDonald said: "Jews are just gonna destroy white power completely, and destroy America as a white country."[13]
And here is some additional information from his Wikipedia page:
He serves as editor of The Occidental Observer,[1][19] which he says covers "white identity, white interests, and the culture of the West"
By 2010, MacDonald was one of the eight members of the board of directors of the newly founded American Third Position (known from 2013 as the American Freedom Party),[11] an organization stating that it "exists to represent the political interests of White Americans".[22]
MacDonald testified in the unsuccessful libel suit brought by the Holocaust denier David Irving against the American historian Deborah Lipstadt, the only witness for Irving who spoke on his behalf willingly.
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MacDonald later commented in an article for the Journal of Historical Review, published by the Institute for Historical Review, a Holocaust-denying organisation, that Lipstadt and Jewish groups were attempting to restrict access to Irving's work because it was against Jewish interests and agenda.
MacDonald has contributed to the magazine The Occidental Quarterly on many occasions. The magazine is a publication of the National Policy Institute, a white supremacist think tank led by Richard B. Spencer.
Former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke praised MacDonald's work on his website.[25][61] MacDonald has appeared on Duke's radio program on multiple occasions, saying he agrees with the "vast majority" of Duke's statements.
I am no longer an active moderator of this forum, so I'll leave the ultimate decision to browser and ganstaman, but at a minimum, this post should result in a ban with a zero tolerance policy going forward. For those who are unaware, Kevin MacDonald is mainly known for being an antisemite and a white supremacist.
Here is the thesis of the book that flair is urging everyone to read:
And here is some additional information from his Wikipedia p
“Culture of Critique” is a good read. It is fairly dry reading. Those expecting Swastika and weird German folk words, and cartoon Nazis will be pretty disappointed.
Most of it is a breakdown of other people’s words and analysis. It covers Freud fairly in depth, a bit of Jung, and spends some time on the Frankfurt school.
Not exactly inflammatory race baiting.
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“Culture of Critique” is a good read. It is fairly dry reading. Those expecting Swastika and weird German folk words, and cartoon Nazis will be pretty disappointed.
Most of it is a breakdown of other people’s words and analysis. It covers Freud fairly in depth, a bit of Jung, and spends some time on the Frankfurt school.
Not exactly inflammatory race baiting.
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Would you characterize MacDonald as antisemitic and a white supremacist?
FWIW, he doesn't really disavow either label at this point.
Because this is one of the issues people are talking about here.
Why are you so concerned that 10 people you don't know are against these surgeries?
Well, mainly it was an opportunity to debate a topic that is interesting to me with people who have opposing views. A learning experience if you will.
If anyone in this thread actually cares about kids, go on a campaign about the dangers of guns, donate food, and pressure your local government to improve education. Using "concern for the kids" to spread hate aint it.
Disappointed to see he doesn't appear to be related to Tom MacDonald. Always prefer that the white supremacy has spread to fewer families.
Flair1939 has been temp banned for two weeks for antisemitic comments and associating transgender with mental illness. Ive deleted most of the posts, though some are still up.
I just want to point out what was obvious to me before when i was saying this is not the nazi thread but now might be more obvious to others, there are literal nazis and white supremacists in here who have been misrepresenting and distorting information and it does concern me when people don’t call that out.like that’s actually been happening here, flair has just made it super obvious.
Thank you Rococo for being such a good person and sorry for accidentally( i made it harder but was not my intention) making your job difficult during your brief tenure as active mod.
I just want to point out what was obvious to me before when i was saying this is not the nazi thread but now might be more obvious to others, there are literal nazis and white supremacists in here who have been misrepresenting and distorting information and it does concern me when people don’t call that out.like that’s actually been happening here, flair has just made it super obvious.
Thank you Rococo for being such a good person and sorr
Thanks, Bryce.
FWIW, you were never a problem. I don't always agree with you, but you always post respectfully and in good faith. If everyone posted in your style, there would be no need for moderation.
Well, mainly it was an opportunity to debate a topic that is interesting to me with people who have opposing views. A learning experience if you will.
If anyone in this thread actually cares about kids, go on a campaign about the dangers of guns, donate food, and pressure your local government to improve education. Using "concern for the kids" to spread hate aint it.
Anything which assists a gender identity to supplant the self is anti-progress. The trans movement is fundamentally a movement of gender identity supplanting the self. The same anti-progress is happening when a racial identity or sexual identity supplants the self.
There is a fatal misunderstanding among progressives in the mistaken belief that progress is led by group identity, when it’s actually individual self-development that leads to progress. The self is universal, which means it’s useless in the domain of group-identity-politics.
Therefore, it can’t be both. It’s one or the other. If you pick the side of group-identity-politics, then you are my enemy because you’re choosing anti-progress.
Anything which assists a gender identity to supplant the self is anti-progress. The trans movement is fundamentally a movement of gender identity supplanting the self. The same anti-progress is happening when a racial identity or sexual identity supplants the self.
There is a fatal misunderstanding among progressives in the mistaken belief that progress is led by group identity, when it’s actually individual self-development that l
I want people to leave other people alone. I also want the government to stay out of peoples business. Its the opposite of group identity or identity politics.
Yall are the ones trying to limits certain peoples rights and make everyone else like you. That is quite literally group identity and group identity politics.
I want people to leave other people alone. I also want the government to stay out of peoples business. Its the opposite of group identity or identity politics.
Yall are the ones trying to limits certain peoples rights and make everyone else like you. That is quite literally group identity and group identity politics.
What group am I trying to make people join?
Right, because we have pages and pages of people fighting against adolescent plastic surgeries, with or without parental consent, because we need to protect the impressionable children. Where is the legislation and political movement for the banning of such care?
I know it's hard for you to believe but 99.9% of your moralizing and mistaken belief that you have the right to comment on, dictate or control other people's medical care warrant
No need for you to debate it at all if you're not interested, but your opinion on this issue is no more important than mine. We are arguing about what laws should be here. There is an entire US federal government agency which does nothing but control what medical care is considered to be acceptable by society. There are official regulations about tongue depressors. This issue seems a bit more important than tongue depressor specifications. But if you think no one should have any control over anyone else's medical treatments, then you'll have to insist on dismantling the entire FDA plus allow anyone who buys a dirty scalpel to perform any surgery on any child whose parents agree to it.
If you want to make a thread about teenage breast reduction I'll argue in there as well. I'm just posting in a thread that was started by someone else here; it doesn't reflect my opinions on what are the most important things to worry about.
Well, mainly it was an opportunity to debate a topic that is interesting to me with people who have opposing views. A learning experience if you will.
If anyone in this thread actually cares about kids, go on a campaign about the dangers of guns, donate food, and pressure your local government to improve education. Using "concern for the kids" to spread hate aint it.
I'm not "campaigning" on this issue any more than I am on those, but I have also debated those topics in these forums (and elsewhere), for the same reasons you have.
I want people to leave other people alone. I also want the government to stay out of peoples business. Its the opposite of group identity or identity politics.
Yall are the ones trying to limits certain peoples rights and make everyone else like you. That is quite literally group identity and group identity politics.
Funny, this is what those on the right wing generally claim.
In reality, those on both the left and the right want the government to regulate other people's business but to stay out of their own, and they both seem to think the reasons are self-evident.
