The costs of trans visibility
Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....
For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and
. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.
What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.
We need to do better.
No need for you to debate it at all if you're not interested, but your opinion on this issue is no more important than mine. We are arguing about what laws should be here. There is an entire US federal government agency which does nothing but control what medical care is considered to be acceptable by society. There are official regulations about tongue depressors. This issue seems a bit more important than tongue depressor specificatio
Is there any area in your life where you felt the proper answer to the inquiry was, "mind your own business" no matter who was asking the question?
For me,it relatively simple- things I do with and say to my spouse, things I tell my Minister, things I do with my doctor and things I tell my attorney. Do you know what they all have in common?
Funny, this is what those on the right wing generally claim.
In reality, those on both the left and the right want the government to regulate other people's business but to stay out of their own, and they both seem to think the reasons are self-evident.
Neither republicans nor democrats represent my values. It would be difficult to encapsulate a world so complex with so many people into two sets of beliefs.
Immigration, lgbtq, abortion, none of this matters to me politically. Let people do what they want. I care about monetary policy, quality of life, quality of education. All we talk about are things that don’t matter in the long run.
Pretty sure that is by design
Neither republicans nor democrats represent my values. It would be difficult to encapsulate a world so complex with so many people into two sets of beliefs.
Immigration, lgbtq, abortion, none of this matters to me politically. Let people do what they want. I care about monetary policy, quality of life, quality of education. All we talk about are things that don’t matter in the long run.
Pretty sure that is by design
You do an awful lot of angry arguing about something that doesn't matter to you.
Is there any area in your life where you felt the proper answer to the inquiry was, "mind your own business" no matter who was asking the question?
For me,it relatively simple- things I do with and say to my spouse, things I tell my Minister, things I do with my doctor and things I tell my attorney. Do you know what they all have in common?
1. None that I can think of. I would answer any question asked by my sister, my therapist or a woman I was seriously dating. I have told lots of things to people at a poker table that others wouldn't tell friends in private.
2. Not particularly. I know your spouse and attorney generally can't be forced to testify against you. Ministers are supposed to alert the authorities if they think you're likely to hurt someone. I don't know what privileges are extended to the doctor-patient relationship.
But I don't have a spouse, a minister, or an attorney, and I have never had a long-term relationship with any doctor, so I'm not an expert in those relationships.
I’ve either calmly called out or outright mocked most of the worst takes. Don’t remember being angry ever but it’s possible.
But I guess I need to explain that when I say lgbtq doesn’t matter to me politically, I mean that in a perfect world they would be treated like any other human and we wouldn’t have to protect them from horrible discrimination but some people are just generally awful and I guess we have to step in and remind people that discriminating again classes of people and limiting their rights is generally atrocious behavior. You would think that is pretty self evident.
And I say that as a matter of fact, not as some angry rant.
I know my general message of “be more empathetic and accepting” and “don’t restrict people’s right or ability to seek medical treatment” is pretty angry and confusing so I’ll give everyone a pass for thinking it’s politically charged
I know my general message of “be more empathetic and accepting” and “don’t restrict people’s right or ability to seek medical treatment” is pretty angry and confusing so I’ll give everyone a pass for thinking it’s politically charged
This "general message" as stated here does not sound angry or insulting. Most of your posts on the subject definitely do.
I want people to leave other people alone. I also want the government to stay out of peoples business. Its the opposite of group identity or identity politics.
Yall are the ones trying to limits certain peoples rights and make everyone else like you. That is quite literally group identity and group identity politics.
I don't believe for a second that you are in favour of minors being treated like parental property.
And if you agree that the rest of society has some sort of duty to limit parental authority when it directly conflicts with the well being of a minor, then it's about whether being medicated with drugs that cause sterility very often is a proper tradeoff to try to reduce mental distress.
We cannot just look away and let people do their thing without limit because we aren't talking people who can choose for themselves.
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According to the American Society of Plastic and Reconstructive Surgeons (ASPS), in 2020, nearly 230,000 cosmetic surgeries and nearly 140,000 non-invasive cosmetic procedures were performed on teens ages 13-19.Jul 26, 2021
3;200 breast augmentations in 2020.
Why aren’t you guys up in.arms about these mutilation
Very curious, why does the bracket include 18 and 19 years old lol? Those are legally adult, we aren't discussing banning hormones or gender affirming surgery for them why would we discuss banning cosmetic surgery for them?
And I have a feeling the vast majority of those 230k procedures are performed on 18-19 years old.
That said, breast augmentation doesn't sterilize you afaik, so it's far less problematic than puberty blockers.
But yes I would definitely agree to ban the procedure on 13-17 y old girls, unless it can treat some objective medical condition I am not aware of, in which case it could be used, but not for purely aesthetic reasons.
Keep in mind purely aesthetic breast enlargement is banned in Italy (and I think many other eu countries) for minors so yours is not like a kind of gotcha, it's actually the same topic.
Same for nose jobs, liposuction and the like.
Reconstruction following accidents I hope you can see why that's a different thing though
Dumb question but when will we see the race identity movement take strength once that gender thing is done ?
It got to be next right ?
racial imposter syndrome
“ It occurs when your internal sense of self doesn't match with others' perception of your racial identity and gives rise to a feeling of self-doubt. It's usually experienced by people like me, living in countries where we are an ethnic minority.”
Very curious, why does the bracket include 18 and 19 years old lol? Those are legally adult, we aren't discussing banning hormones or gender affirming surgery for them why would we discuss banning cosmetic surgery for them?
And I have a feeling the vast majority of those 230k procedures are performed on 18-19 years old.
That said, breast augmentation doesn't sterilize you afaik, so it's far less problematic than puberty blockers.
But yes I wou
You don’t understand our age 18 v 21 issues? Any evidence puberty blockers cause sterilization?
As with everything else, I think the right answer here is: it depends.
Do I support the state forcing parents to give blood transfusions against the parent wishes/religious beliefs? Yes.
Do I think teenagers should be able to have a confidential doctor patient relationship (supported by law) which keeps the doctor from disclosing birth control usage, sexual activity, STDs, etc. to parents at the patient's request? Yes
Do I think parents s
Ya so try not to miscontrue this stance as being principled, it's really just expedient.
Didn't expect a good response to my questions in this thread from either coordi or SpacemanBryce, and got no response instead, so not much point in being here. Vaya con Dios, one and all.
Your whole gender is a social construct schtick was played out by Luckbox over the last few years. It was no wonder you were ignored the multiple times you raised the same issue. Adios, amigo.
If we can’t hold contradiction, then we will be unable to truly progress.
The truth that gender is wed to bio-sex is the first truth held in one hand, and the truth that gender transcends bio-sex is a later truth held in the other hand. The second truth is not to negate the first, and it won’t as long as the self is not supplanted by a gender identity.
Coherence must be sacrificed up for the promise of a deeper, more coherent truth.
Didn't expect a good response to my questions in this thread from either coordi or SpacemanBryce, and got no response instead, so not much point in being here. Vaya con Dios, one and all.
You can find me having a wank with thremp et all on the subject 5 years ago or whenever it was.
Ultimately, it doesn't matter. Treat them like humans. EZ game
Dumb question but when will we see the race identity movement take strength once that gender thing is done ?
It got to be next right ?
racial imposter syndrome
“ It occurs when your internal sense of self doesn't match with others' perception of your racial identity and gives rise to a feeling of self-doubt. It's usually experienced by people like me, living in countries where we are an ethnic minority.”
The problem with this question isnÂ’t that itÂ’s dumb, the problem is that it is very clearly worded and asked in bad faith. I donÂ’t mean that itÂ’s not a real question that you have that you are genuinely asking, I just mean itÂ’s obvious to me you donÂ’t really want an answer to this question other than an affirmation of your preconceived notions.
Based on the amount of information availabie to you, and your posting history what youÂ’re really asking is something like this:
“I haven’t read any trans literature in my entire life nor has it personally impacted me nor have I talked to people who work in clinics that specialize in gender affirming care nor have I discussed this subject with a trans person and their family in any depth.
I’m all for free love and hate trump and find conservatives who want to ban sex and rock and roll annoying. Anyone can love anyone they want it’s none of my business but: this whole craze with people wanting to be a gender they aren’t is really weird to me why don’t they just say they want to dress like a girl or whatever. What are they going to do next identify as a different race or a different animal?”
That is the essence of your question. So , itÂ’s not a good faith question as asked. If asked politely and in a more serious way this would be a good question to ask a black trans person. I could give you a long answer but you arenÂ’t genuinely interested in the answer, and also while I understand the social construction of race I am not an expert on race ; I know a lot about lgbtq issues and itÂ’s not that my answer would be wrong but the intersectionality of race and lgbtq issues is best understood from people affected by both.
The short answer to montreals question is no they are not the same thing. There is wide consensus in the medical community and almost all major medical and psychological associations that transgender people are actually a different gender than the one assigned at birth. There is no such established science in regards to race because race and gender are different things.
The actual detailed answer as to why that is is hard to understand, takes a long time to write and explain and involves genuine interest in the subject beyond “lol” to understand.
The short answer to montreals question is no they are not the same thing. There is wide consensus in the medical community and almost all major medical and psychological associations that transgender people are actually a different gender than the one assigned at birth. There is no such established science in regards to race because race and gender are different things.
The actual detailed answer as to why that is is hard to understand, ta
Lol no there is not any such thing. You're just making that up. They haven't even come close to agreeing that gender is an actual thing and not something made up by people.
Lol no there is not any such thing. You're just making that up. They haven't even come close to agreeing that gender is an actual thing and not something made up by people.
What there is consensus about, is that a very tiny amount of people consistently, through time, feel like they are of the opposite sex. We call those people trans , it used to be transexual, now it's transgender, whatever.
If we want to call "feeling you are of the opposite sex" "gender", so a biological man can have a female gender, then that's a reasonable use of the word because it describes something that actually exists.
I use the word in that sense myself.
But lol at the idea that more than 2 genders exist, that "pansexual" or "2 spirit" define anything objectively, and so on.
Lol at the monstrosity of "sex assigned at birth": it's not assigned by society, it's biological. Chromosomical + genitals + other measurable characteristics.
The existence of very very very very very few people not exactly on one of the 2 biological sexes doesn't change anything, same as we keep saying human being have 5 fingers in their hand even if very very very very very few are born with 6 or less than 5.
What there is consensus about, is that a very tiny amount of people consistently, through time, feel like they are of the opposite sex. We call those people trans , it used to be transexual, now it's transgender, whatever.
And these people exist cross-culturally? I don't think there is consensus there either.
