[Bodog/Bovada/Ignition] Unofficial Thread
This thread is to separate the Bovada-related comments and questions from the Official Bodog Support Thread, which is there only for questions or concerns about anything Bodog-branded.
There is no official Bovada Rep at 2+2 at this time, but perhaps if discussion is effected in a civil manner, one might arrive in due course?
Thank you.
MH
2 bot profiles going at it.
Donk flop.
Bet turn, 2nd bot profile min raises
Donk jam river A8o, called by bluff blockers K9o... Hand makes total sense.
- if you think you're the lone legit player at a low-stakes NL six-max table of four-five bots, do the math on how much rake they'd be paying to exploit one player.
You don't seem to understand math, if you have 5 accounts (since they are not humans) winning for 1.5bb/100 it's essentially crushing, it clearly wins more than a regular who might win 5bb for the sake of it. Second of all, they wouldn't even need to be profitable necessarily. As long as they make the humans continue to lose they will be forced to quit eventually and the bots will be left with the fish (which seems like the time we are at right now). There are heaaaps of really big winners/strong reg that have quit the site in the last 1.5 years.
both queens had mysteriously been folded by other players. likelihood this is cheating?
Ignition - $5 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3 : http://www.holdemmanager.com
Hero (SB): $880.63 (176.1 bb)
BB: $666.11 (133.2 bb)
UTG: $390.78 (78.2 bb)
MP: $1,310.15 (262 bb)
CO: $657.29 (131.5 bb)
BTN: $660.47 (132.1 bb)
Hero posts SB $2.50, BB posts $5.00
Pre Flop: (pot: $7.50)
Hero has Jd Ac 6c Kd,
BB has 2h Qc 7s Jh,
UTG has 8s 5c Td 4s,
MP has 5s Qd Ts 9s,
CO has Kh 6h 5d Ah,
BTN has 4d Js 3c 4h
2 folds, CO raises to $17.50, fold, Hero raises to $57.50, fold, CO calls $40.00
Flop: ($120.00, 2 players) Qh 2s 2d
Hero bets $38.00, CO calls $38.00
Turn: ($196.00, 2 players) 6s
Hero bets $80.00, CO calls $80.00
River: ($356.00, 2 players) Qs
Hero checks, CO bets $352.00, Hero folds
Results: $356.00 pot ($4.00 rake)
Final Board: Qh 2s 2d 6s Qs
CO wins $352.00
not sure how else someone would be floating AhKh6h5d on this board lol
Just realised I may have interpreted your last point incorrectly. Did you mean they wouldn't be able to exploit the player and beat rake? or that Iggy would be ok with it?
Apologies If that was the case. If the former this is almost certainly incorrect, if the latter then 12 months ago I wouldn't have believed you but now I probably would.
Yah, more clarity prolly needed. Outcomes depend on what kinda bot scenario is being considered.
The simple one (4-5 independent bots that beat rake playing on their own, but who are all at one table) is what I meant. These guys have winrate = 0, pre-rake, vs each other, so they're paying up to 30 bb/100+ in rake at 1/2 or 2.5/5, say. They've got to extract that much from the hero, which isn't happening.
If the idea is the bots are team-programmed, either to push players out or (more extreme case ) to play optimally based on updated deck info, it's a more interesting question.
As hero VPIP declines toward zero, his loss rate is capped at the cost of blinds (24 bb/100, give or take). So in the narrow corner case, I think low/midstakes is a loser. Very tight VPIP ranges would depend on how well the hero's card equity holds up in shoves etc, I guess?
One thing we all can agree on, I think -- if there's not a game-security specialist working on an automated solution for detecting collusive play by scanning hand histories, there needs to be. Between the player and operator markets, there's a big earn to be had.
You don't seem to understand math, if you have 5 accounts (since they are not humans) winning for 1.5bb/100 it's essentially crushing, it clearly wins more than a regular who might win 5bb for the sake of it. Second of all, they wouldn't even need to be profitable necessarily. As long as they make the humans continue to lose they will be forced to quit eventually and the bots will be left with the fish (which seems like the time we are at r
You seem to be confusing their winrate overall (1.5 bb/100 after rake here, and much higher before rake) with their winrate vs their own kin (0 bb/100 before rake).
In the example I used, it's the latter that's relevant. The math, trivial as it is, flows from getting the assumptions right.
You seem to be confusing their winrate overall (1.5 bb/100 after rake here, and much higher before rake) with their winrate vs their own kin (0 bb/100 before rake).
In the example I used, it's the latter that's relevant. The math, trivial as it is, flows from getting the assumptions right.
You are assuming there is never a fish at the table, let alone two. Which isnt the case. They don't need to be winning at every single table that they play. If you actually played the games you will notice that they don't table select. Not really sure how it works but they don't seem to have a hud or adjust to any player type.
Disconnects literally all day on this site
For those of you experiencing disconnects and software issues, I am going to be that guy:
I used to have frequent issues with lag, disconnects, and software screwups. But 7 months ago, I moved to a new home where I have access to blazing fast, reliable internet. I also upgraded to a new Alienware with an I9. Since then, I have had zero issues other than an occasional hiccup for a few seconds once or twice a month, and it quickly recovers and goes back to normal.
My theory is that the Bonition software just does a terrible job dealing with minor problems. A minor internet or hardware issue that only causes a brief pause on Pokerstars might freeze or disconnect us on Bonition.
So if money isn't an issue and your internet or PC could use an upgrade, it might be worth it to give it a shot.
- no opinion on security, but I'd expect to see a lot of guys posting grafs of their EV running true over last few years, then going to **** recently if in fact there's a huge uptick in collusion.
Why not just post under your main account? Obv who you are. No opinion on security, then WTF are you even posting for in response to what i said? Do you currently play here? Are you reading what LOTS of long time winning regs and respected members of the community are saying has been going on for over a year now and the hand histories they're posting as proof?
For those of you experiencing disconnects and software issues, I am going to be that guy:
I used to have frequent issues with lag, disconnects, and software screwups. But 7 months ago, I moved to a new home where I have access to blazing fast, reliable internet. I also upgraded to a new Alienware with an I9. Since then, I have had zero issues other than an occasional hiccup for a few seconds once or twice a month, and it quickly recovers and
They got much bigger issues than their software these days
For those of you experiencing disconnects and software issues, I am going to be that guy:
I used to have frequent issues with lag, disconnects, and software screwups. But 7 months ago, I moved to a new home where I have access to blazing fast, reliable internet. I also upgraded to a new Alienware with an I9. Since then, I have had zero issues other than an occasional hiccup for a few seconds once or twice a month, and it quickly recovers and
this have been my experience too
For those of you experiencing disconnects and software issues, I am going to be that guy:
I used to have frequent issues with lag, disconnects, and software screwups. But 7 months ago, I moved to a new home where I have access to blazing fast, reliable internet. I also upgraded to a new Alienware with an I9. Since then, I have had zero issues other than an occasional hiccup for a few seconds once or twice a month, and it quickly recovers and
+111111, I am constantly not experiencing lag and disconnects when others are.
Bovada mobile loads up to 99% on cash tables and not connecting right now. Anyone else experiencing similar?
Just got the dreaded..
I am logged into the software, but the zone lobby is completely empty.
no cash or zone tables available
am logged in... 2knl removed hoping a glitch
rofl, logged in again and is back
The Zone lobby is running again, but I haven't jumped in yet.
For those who play tournaments on Bovada, do you find the same issues (and how low of stakes tournaments do you think it ventures if so)?
This has been insanely out of hand for over a year now. It’s been clearly ridden with RTA, collusion and botters at 500-2k NL from what I’ve experienced.
I’m going to guesstimate the amount cheated using simple math. We are going to assume there are 20 nefarious accounts which would be the extreme low end. Even if they had very low WR, we can safely assume each account is profiting over 4k a month (that would be 20BI at 200
Expose it to polk and ingram because Bodog/ignition clearly aren't going to do anything. They have never cared about the players and 1000% never cared about winning players they realize there site is probably the softest around and we are the beggars. Online poker in general has been getting worse and worse for over a decade this will just continue at higher rates
I’ve DM’d a few posters in this thread but wanted to chime in with my experiences. I had raised suspicions about collusion in the high stakes PLO games back in early 2023 when everything seemed to turn for me. I was getting torched in NSDW and started seeing uncommon donk lines and hands that didn’t make “sense” as bluffs. I was playing PLO 2K where I was winning for the last three years as a 4bb/100 winner and am now down to PLO 500 and still can't win. I’m around 100K below EV and can hardly stomach the thought of continuing to play online from what I’ve recently read in this thread (I assume this is likely happening elsewhere). It’s been a difficult pill to swallow as I’ve lost nearly 2/3 of my net worth since July 2023 and have played on ignition for nearly a decade. May this be a warning to new and current players.
I’ve DM’d a few posters in this thread but wanted to chime in with my experiences. I had raised suspicions about collusion in the high stakes PLO games back in early 2023 when everything seemed to turn for me. I was getting torched in NSDW and started seeing uncommon donk lines and hands that didn’t make “sense” as bluffs. I was playing PLO 2K where I was winning for the last three years as a 4bb/100 winner and am now down to PLO 500 and st
Geez dude if you suspected it for that long why did you keep playing?
I’ve been on many downswings before, figured it was a bad run but could turn it around despite my inclinations but not knowing 100%. If I always quit when things got bad I’m sure I would have been out of poker a long time ago. Certainly an expensive lesson learned
