ex-President Trump
I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?
So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at low-info Boomers like my religions aunts. I have two questions:
a) Is anyone here who supports Trump bothered by lies like this?
b) Does anyone know what he's even talking about here? Like is there some grain of truth that he's embellishing on bigly?
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Bible (old testament) has the proportionality (eye for an eye and so on).
I am saying "complete annihilation once you prove to be a threat"
At the individual level, confucius might have some reasons.
At the state level, Japan get hit with 2 a bombs and 80 years later doesn't have an army yet.
Sounds like great vengeance and furious anger to me.
Better served cold
Most of the supreme court justices should be disqualified then, as all of the current ones are pretty partisan, and some regularly give speeches to political action oriented groups.
Does anyone ever get convicted for theft? Why wouldn't they all claim they planned to pay the victim back at some point? If anyone is ever convicted, I would say that portion of the law isn't truly in effect.
Courts rule on intent all the time.
They must be awfully good at mind reading then.
I always found the 'secret heart' balony much loved on this forum to be most amusing.
I don't know what you mean by this.
If you 'borrow' someone's car without their permission and then return it a few days later, have you broken any law. You obviously planned to return it.
I just can't imagine how this could be accurate, particularly as most basic US laws were based on British common law, and that is definitely not legal here.
English law which is the bases of law in much of the world is very different to usa law. I quoted the relevant part but you can easily look up the Theft Act 1968 if you want. Even so I'm pretty sure that some usa laws judge on intent.
The 'secret heart' thing was the wonderpous claim by the old guard around here that they had to remove the intent of the poster from personal attacks on them because otherwise no-one could be personally attacked. Glouriously amusing nonsense.
re cars there's a specific offense of taking without consent. It's not theft unless you intend to permenantly deprive
Probably the worst straw man in this thread: "Think of scamming a bank like scamming a backer in poker."
So... guy borrows money to gamble it and pay back with the winnings. This goes on for a period of time and he keeps increasing his bets to pay back his debts but just keeps running bad. This is not theft because his objective was to only deprive for as long as it took for his horse to come in?
UUMV. unauthorized use of a motor vehicle. it's like the most common charge relating to vehicle "theft". it's when you do what you are describing, or when you say i'll have the car back wednesday but dont bring it back until a week later, or when you skip out on returning your rental. you had license to use the vehicle at some point.
and yes most theft statutes in the US require "intent to deprive or convert".
Larceny is the taking of personal property accomplished by fraud or stealth, and with intent to deprive another thereof.
is like a standard theft statute.
yes. and we were explaining to you how the bank, the institution, wasn't the only "victim". NY has a law allowing the AG to investigate and prosecute civil fraud. the law is from 1956, surely Trump should have adequate knowledge of said law and that he could be prosecuted, just like anyone else that is doing fraud in the state of NY.
Pretty sure that's theft. The intent is to repay 'if'. Hence there is an intent to permenantly deprive 'if not'
Running a martingale defense would be fun but I dont think it flies even if you could somehow convince the court that that was what you were doing.
U should inform yourself what happened in the 2008 GFC .
It’s not uncommon ….
Why would they ?
They get bailed out by the fed every freakn time …
I'd love to read a book about this phenomenon some day.
A big chunk of these people are just low intelligence/unstable. Even then... why does Trump have this Dracula hold on the mentally ill?
I assume your friend is at least average intelligence and not nuts. These people are interesting too.
They almost never have any general interest or knowledge in pols. But they get these bugs in their brain and suddenly they are obsessed and will never shut up about it.
If you got really into say, poker, you'd buy 2+2 books, watch the top experts on YouTube, etc. But they never do this at all. The real/factual world of politics is of no interest.
All they want to do is regurgitate crazy, unfounded drivel they heard on SM like it's gospel.
What causes a previously normal person... a person who could use fact and reason to debate like, sports, to transform into this?
The gambler wouldn't think an 'if' would be necessary. Anyone who uses Martingale is sure it will work.
I'm really interested in what will happen when he is gone(whenever and however that may be). I suspect many will try to revise their history from 2016-2024, but I also now think many will fall into this pit of whatever similar to the civil war losers who still act like they won generations later.
It's all so weird. Regardless, the country is currently broken with no end in sight.
Imho when trump will pass , those extremist (tea party /MAGA) will loose hold on the Republican Party because those idiots senators/congressman will realize even when they open their a$$ wide open for an individual like trump they can’t win.
So they will start to do what’s right again and bring back centerish people ….
Also will be interested to see what happens in gov't in general after he exposed all the 'norms' as what they were; unenforceable.
He literally does/did so much wacky **** on a daily basis that he exhausted all forms of defense just by sheer volume. Never forget that he just pasted an 'acting' in front of every mook he put in a position, which basically voided congressional oversight, and then went on to write massive, overreaching Executive Orders basically doing whatever he wanted, telling congressmen to ignore subpoenas, and the list goes way on.
Still don't understand how the gov't let him just pants them for his entire presidency. Seems crazy to me, but what do I know.
It's going to reduce to I borrowed it to put on on a sure thing and would repay when I won.
It's a real defense. Good luck with it.
After an extensive study was down it was found that banks do not loan out money that they have received from fractional reserve banking. Banks loaned out money they made from interest but I believe mainly fees. I’ll Google the sentence I just wrote and post the article
You’re talking about Obama right
Quick question
Law states company must pay you a fee if they violate your hourly wage agreement and you miss a break or something
Let’s say this is a well known and commonly enforced law
You miss a break at work. You ask the company for your fee. They tell you to **** off
If you take the fee from the cash register, is it morally wrong?