ex-President Trump
I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?
So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at low-info Boomers like my religions aunts. I have two questions:
a) Is anyone here who supports Trump bothered by lies like this?
b) Does anyone know what he's even talking about here? Like is there some grain of truth that he's embellishing on bigly?
In the climate change example, even if Greta is further from the mainstream scientific community than the absolute denialists, the worst that will happen if you follow her advice is you spend too much money. The worst that will happen if you follow the denialists' advice is a global extinction event.
See this is the kind of grotesque exaggeration that will lead to more damage than the worst case scenarios of climate change can ever do.
The worst that can happen if you follow Greta advice is you establish a world totalitarian government (because without it it's impossible to reach net 0 soon) and you end up with some variant of worldwide socialism (because without extreme worldwide violence and extreme limitations to economic freedom it's impossible to actually reach net 0 with current technologies).
But even if you don't believe that following Greta would inevitably end up in socialism (which is worse than death by a large margin) , even "spending too much money" can be much worse than climate change.
Especially when you can spend a fraction of that to simply mitigate the damage of climate change.
When the IPCC models for 2100 tell you that even under RCP 8.5 (which shouldn't be used at all given we aren't in that curve and we never were) global per capita GDP is going to be only 8-12% worse than a non-warming counterfactual , that means that any climate change related policies which cost more than 0.1% in missed growth per year in aggregate are going to be more damaging than climate change even if those changes guaranteed no warming (which they don't).
Just like with COVID when government intervention was much more damaging than the virus itself could ever be (and it didn't save lives anyway).
As usual state intervention is the problem and is going to be the problem much more than the solution to anything.
And anyone who talks in a way that increases the chances of overdoing state intervention, when the state is already the problem that limits human flourishing much more than any climate "crisis" could ever do, is more dangerous to human societies than climate change could ever be.
So yes Greta is indeed much more dangerous than any climate change denialist. As every socialist, no matter how well intentioned, is more dangerous than the worst libertarian can ever be
There is a huge problem with trolling and mental health in regards to young males , particularly white males , on the internet. I would love to have a genuine conversation about that on here but i don’t think the posters here are collectively up to it.
maybe when some of you think about how self centered and narcissistic and bullying Trump is , you can reflect on your own self-centeredness, your own narcissism, your own bullying. More guys
I don't think that it's about trolling when they ask for the deportation of any non white from western countries
Deny self. That's the standard of living prescribed.
If only everyone had the latest tchotchke. That's no way to go through life, son.
See this is the kind of grotesque exaggeration that will lead to more damage than the worst case scenarios of climate change can ever do.
The worst that can happen if you follow Greta advice is you establish a world totalitarian government (because without it it's impossible to reach net 0 soon) and you end up with some variant of worldwide socialism (because without extreme worldwide violence and extreme limitations to economic freedom it's
Dude what are you going on about here? You spun a big old pile of dookie there. It would be crazy to dig into.
Greta is a young woman who advocates for environmental sustainability. Somehow that's means world socialist government that's worse than death?
I disagree and see fossil fuel companies propped up by governments through regulatory capture which stifles innovation and GDP growth. Giving billions to fossil fuel companies and creating policy to stifle innovation is pretty bad status quo.
See this is the kind of grotesque exaggeration that will lead to more damage than the worst case scenarios of climate change can ever do.
The worst that can happen if you follow Greta advice is you establish a world totalitarian government (because without it it's impossible to reach net 0 soon) and you end up with some variant of worldwide socialism (because without extreme worldwide violence and extreme limitations to economic freedom it's
Gonna have to agree to disagree on this one, champ. I'm no fan of socialism, but it seems like you're seeing a lot of socialist ghosts under the bed here.
Also, I don't think your evaluation of best and worst case scenarios under various courses of action or inaction is in line with mainstream science. But this is the Trump thread; we can take it to the climate change thread if you want to continue the discussion.
Gonna have to agree to disagree on this one, champ. I'm no fan of socialism, but it seems like you're seeing a lot of socialist ghosts under the bed here.
Also, I don't think your evaluation of best and worst case scenarios under various courses of action or inaction is in line with mainstream science. But this is the Trump thread; we can take it to the climate change thread if you want to continue the discussion.
Ok with me
Patriot act, fisa court (which he expanded in scope), are very fascist choices (but he needed congress for them ofc)
You don't know who Bush Sr was, do you? Do you know what "Sr" stands for?
And he did those things in response to 9/11. While I'm no fan, it's not like he just put in a bunch of antidemocratic measures in an attempt to cement his own leadership status, a la Trump.
I doubt Lucion was around for Bush Sr.
Wikipedia research doesn't always provide the correct answer.
You can answer in an open forum but I was curious about PWs answer, as he made the claim.
He is not particularly populist, for example he kept bragging about the vaccine "he developed" even when that clearly hurt him with his base.
I don't think this hurt him with his base. It may not have helped, but it didn't hurt. Also, demagoguery of this sort is entirely consistent with populism.
He keeps talking about 2020 election being stolen even if that clearly hurts him in the generals
This has nothing to do one way or the other with populism. Trump does this because he is narcissistic and stupid.
NBA is probably further left than wrestling overall, it was specifically the online discourse around wrestling that I was saying is further left than any mainstream sports, which I'm sure in part is because they're more niche.
These are the main articles I'm basing this stuff on (excluding the online discourse stuff, that's largely experience), the first from a decade ago and the second from last year.
Thanks. LIV golf seems insane to me.
I'm guessing that the wrestling audience is lower income than many other sports, which may account for why it was more left-leaning than I imagined.
Presidential historians in a new survey rank President Biden as the
14th best president in U.S. history — and put former President Trump last.
Anyone with any common sense can see right through that "survey" which puts Trump as the least best president, it's laughable.
And anyone with only a little common sense should be able to see the Justice system has been turned into a political weapon. Trump applied for and received legimitate loans and paid the loans off.
The corrupt Leticia James fabricated this case from the start claiming he over valued his property. Trump bought it at a rock bottom price and then put millions into it building it back up. The banks are not stupid. When someone applies for a loan, they will have their own appraisers confirm the value of a property rather than let the borrower dictate what it's worth. Had he inflated the property value, the bank could have disagreed and said, in our opinion, it is y, not x. Or they could have just refused to lend him any money. But for some strange reason, everything was in order and it was a business as usual transaction. The banks got paid back on time. There were NO victims in this "crime", and there were NO complainants, except for NY State who's been looking high and low for dirt on Trump.
Strange that the banks never objected. Not one of the involved bank had anything negative to say about Trump’s loans other than that he paid them back. They testified that he's a great customer.
So, how could a judge stick his nose into business transactions having nothing to do with the state of NY, and people are OK with that? Do people really not see how serious this is?
Anyone with any common sense can see right through that "survey" which puts Trump as the least best president, it's laughable.
And anyone with only a little common sense should be able to see the Justice system has been turned into a political weapon.
Do people really not see how serious this is?
All these people lacking common sense. I'm sure he will win the case on appeal if it so out on line, if he can afford the appellate bond. How do you lose the case, actually the third multimillion dollar verdict against him, given the facts as you believe them? And how do your employees end up in prison?
All these people lacking common sense. I'm sure he will win the case on appeal if it so out on line, if he can afford the appellate bond. How do you lose the case, actually the third multimillion dollar verdict against him, given the facts as you believe them? And how do your employees end up in prison?
The employess are in prison for other verdicts agains trump corp (or deals with prosecutors) that excluded Trump responsibilities (afaik).
Trump corp did a lot of tav evasion shenanigans and the people in the corp who signed on that took responsibility (afaik).
Anyone with any common sense can see right through that "survey" which puts Trump as the least best president, it's laughable.
Out of 46 presidents, where does Trump rank for you?
The corrupt Leticia James fabricated this case from the start claiming he over valued his property. Trump bought it at a rock bottom price and then put millions into it building it back up. The banks are not stupid. When someone applies for a loan, they will have their own appraisers confirm the value of a property rather than let the borrower dictate what it's worth. Had he inflated the property value, the bank could have disagreed and sai
You're stating that he didn't inflate the value. That Kevin O'Leary guy stated that every real estate developer around the world overvalues property when applying for a construction finance loan. I wonder which of you two are correct.
So, how could a judge stick his nose into business transactions having nothing to do with the state of NY, and people are OK with that?
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The buck stops with all those other guys, they took it upon themselves to commit fraud to enrich Trump, he had no idea what was going on, he is just an innocent man being railroaded by all the evil democRAT prosecutors and judges.
Statistically he did more for my country than any other president. Gas prices were at rock bottom prices, there were no wars (unlike all his predecessors), we were energy independent, he built a wall to keep illegals out (now they're pooring into our country including thousands of military aged Chinese men, doesn't that at the least bit concern you?), there was peace in the middle east, he visited North Korea one of the most dangerous countries to us at the time and formed a relationship with it's leader, do I really need to go on?
What don't you understand? Do you actually think it's ok for the government to subpoena documentation of a business transaction between two businesses that was paid as agreed to manufacturer evidence that fraud was committed and fine that business hundreds of millions of dollars when there's NO COMPLAINTS against either business of any fraud or wrong doing? Or are you so hell bent that "Trump's a bad guy" and don't give a **** what they have to do as long as he gets destroyed?
I have some news for you. They're not coming after him, they're coming after you. The WEF recently stated soon there will be no super powers left like America because the world will be under the control of the WEF (according to Klaus Schwab) this is not a war against Trump it's actaully a war for our future, literally.
