Israel/Palestine thread

Because a lot of people are racists.

And they weren't before 10 7?

This thread has some people very dedicated to talking about how bad Muslims are and they really got going only after Israel had killed many thousands of people in Gaza. Luciom, when did you start posting itt?

Dunno how many coming-to-satan moments there were on 10 7, but sure, most people who said something racist immediately after 10 7 were racists immediately before. They may have been saying and posting the same things without getting attention even.

I have refrained from such digs at you.

No where in your post do you acknowledge that Israel refused to end the occupation, that it divided the WB into 165 cantons with checkpoints in between. There were not two forks, one peace and one war. Israel offered just the fulfillment of the long-term settler project to block a Palestinian state. This was Labor policy, as well as Likud.

so your contention is that Hamas is trying to get themselves bombed? really dont see what is so controversial about resistance fighters trying to avoid getting themselves bombed.

I see a use of "racist" here that actually tries to limit the gravity of the fact.

It's not just about people who simply dislike jews. That might unfortunately be more common than we would like, but it could end there, perhaps with a little discrimination here and there.

But when it becomes about celebrating mass assassinations, it's a different matter.

Up before 10 7 i knew a lot of people (mostly on the left but not exclusively) in europe were small-size antisemites. The bad anti-jew comment, the joke, the little discrimination.

But i didn't know a lot of people, and i am not talking recent muslim entrants here rather european natives, were actually happy at the idea of jews being assassinated by terrorists in large numbers. And at that point we are close to something that isn't opinion anymore and can become action, aiding and abetting terrorism.

There is a thin line between celebrating 10 7, and donating to associations who are very very close to hamas, thus helping the terrorist effort, for example.

You tell us, buddy.

When a cultural group has martyrdom in the fight against enemies as one of the most heroic and moral act a person can ever do, rewarded more than almost anything else in the afterlife (according to that group religious belief), is it really strange to believe they actually want to be bombed?

but that does not accurately describe the resistance. in fact, its pretty gross to victim blame the Gazans and say they actually want to die.

once again, if anyone did this for the Israelis or Jewish people then it would be a permaban.

Lol stop this, we were talking about Hamas.

Or the mask just slipped and you consider every resident of Gaza a "freedom fighter"?

Israel is not really killing Hamas fighters. they are killing civilians.

That’s because there is. It hasn’t stopped since it started in the 1600s

You disagree? Let’s bet on it

You get 500 pictures of Israeli people, and 500 of Palestinian.

I will be able to distinguish the two groups of people a mid to high level of accuracy

Since you know that isn’t true, what I am saying is impossible. Ill bet my $200 versus your $600

Lmk who we can escrow to

Hamas don't give a rat's ass about the people of Gaza, it's why they hide among them like the cowards they are. To say Hamas don't target civilians, after October 7 is a strong contender for Biggest Lie So Far of the 21st Century. Again even by your standards, it's a jaw dropper.

I can't find the article but the Houthies in one of their statements a few days ago were calling out Arab nations for not supporting Gaza. Basically saying you guys have rich societies and even if you're not going to back them up militarily there should be more aid coming in from the region.

why would Hamas hide among the civilians when the civilians are the main targets of Israel?

and I am not even sure what you are talking about with if Hamas targets civilians or not. I didnt say anything about that. thats a separate discussion.

Hoo boy, just wait til you hear about early Christianity and Catholicism

Every single society on Earth valorizes warriors who die for freedom, it's the core premise of every war movie ever. Only with Muslims this gets singled out and pathologized --they think it's glorious to die in battle! Can you even imagine such a society?

Yeah but Jesus is “king of the martyrs” so beat that

I think queen is Joan of arc?

Yeah with the emphasis on early. Christianity has its extremist elements and the vast majority of Muslims practice their religion peacefully. However at present, Islamic fundamentalism is currently the most socially prevalent form. The day a bunch of Christian fundies fly planes into towers or launch their own Oct 07 comes, they can be roundly condemned as well but right now that's not happening.

You prob don’t give a **** about the civilians Americans killed in Iraq, Afghanistan or Syria do you

they could genocide faster is not really the argument you think it is.

Oct 7 was not due to Islamic fundamentalism. Hamas are not at all like the USA backed ISIS militias.

Because it suits their victim narrative and that's how terrorists always work. Conflict is how they recruit and it's what they get off on. And self-pity is always the motor of terrorism, just as it is of Fascism. They need conflict and disaster to thrive. (Note that the Israeli mentality just now is not all that different.)