The costs of trans visibility
Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....
For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and
. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.
What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.
We need to do better.
Dude. Get a hold of yourself and stop going on like a hysterical Victorian old biddy.🙄 *slaps spaceman smartly*
That was for your own good. It's called tough love. Learn from it.
My position on this is technically to the right of millions of trans activists.
Some US laws have been described, including by journalists Emily St. James and Katelyn Jones, as meeting criteria mentioned in the United Nations definition of genocide, including laws banning gender-affirming care ("causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part"), and those allowing child protective services to pursue child abuse claims against the parents of children receiving gender-affirming care and remove said children ("forcibly transferring children of the group to another group").[33][34]
Transgender healthcare bans in the US have been condemned by medical organizations. A report published by Yale School of Medicine in response to bans on gender-affirming care in Alabama and Texas argued that the bans were no more ethical than a prohibition on healthcare for any other life-threatening medical condition.[35] The president of World Professional Association of Transgender Health wrote an opinion article in the New York Times stating her view that these laws constituted an effort to "rid the world of transgender people."[36] Similar sentiments were expressed in a WPATH public communique: "Anti-transgender health care legislation is not about protections for children but about eliminating transgender persons on a micro and macro scale."[37]
The increased presence by right wing militia groups at protests, coupled with a broader resurgence in queerphobia in the US, has led some trans people in the United States to, in response, stockpile weapons and gear – including AR-15 rifles and modern body armor – while training, sometimes in groups, to use them as necessary.[38]
My position is that despite the horrible abuse and crimes against the trans community the legal definition of genocide hasn’t taken place. However, I see a lot of genocidal rhetoric and actions that have met what I would call the preconditions of genocide. I do see genocidal intent by a number of parties.
I believe an increasing number of these bad actors will be charged with hate crimes and terrorism in the near future.
In any case it’s not funny, and it’s not ok. And certainly not something I need to be slapped for.
Banning minors from "gender care" isn't "anti trans". It's all circular BS using the opinions of radicals who invented out of nothing a group of notions, and whose livelihoods depend on those notions being accepted by society, as "proof" they are right lol.
Anyway it's very good to see a decent amount of places are banning "gender care" for minors.
Do you have data proving trans people are being killed more than heterosexuals?
Banning minors from "gender care" isn't "anti trans". It's all circular BS using the opinions of radicals who invented out of nothing a group of notions, and whose livelihoods depend on those notions being accepted by society, as "proof" they are right lol.
Anyway it's very good to see a decent amount of places are banning "gender care" for minors.
Do you have data proving trans people are being killed more than heterosexuals?
heterosexual people are being killed because of the trans panic im not suprised you don’t care about heterosexuals.
Lozen, why do YOU think that the false claim the person was fan spread like wildfire through alt-right media and led to you reposting it here? Go deeper than just being wrong. Why is it that "allegedly trans person does bad thing" is the type of thing your social media showed you and you decided to share it?
No one's suggesting it's wrong to identify characteristics of shooters. I mean, it's kind of weird to feel a need to when you would never say it was a straight person, but I don't think it's a big deal on its own. But this isn't a thread about mass shootings, and it's hard to see how bringing something like that to this thread is for any useful purpose other than to suggest this is some other problem with trans people. Now it could be that
So I agreed that me jumping to a conclusion was the wrong thing to do as we should allow all the facts to come out.
My question is than why should we not do that for this story? Everyone is believing X posters and left wing media that the attack on this trans individual was because he/she was trans and blaming the state law?
heterosexual people are being killed because of the trans panic im not suprised you don’t care about heterosexuals.
Heterosexuals, ie non homosexuals, non trans. I know your framing is "cis" and trans, i don't use your framing, we don't need a word for the 99.9% of the population.
I asked hetero because homosexuals might be targeted for that so i want to compare with people who can't be targeted for sexual preferences.
What's your data to show trans are killed more than non trans?
So I agreed that me jumping to a conclusion was the wrong thing to do as we should allow all the facts to come out.
My question is than why should we not do that for this story? Everyone is believing X posters and left wing media that the attack on this trans individual was because he/she was trans and blaming the state law?
Because if it fits the narrative it's true, if it doesn't fit the narrative it's false.
My position on this is technically to the right of millions of trans activists.
My position is that despite the horrible abuse and crimes against the trans community the legal definition of genocide hasn’t taken place. However, I see a lot of genocidal rhetoric and actions that have met what I would call the preconditions of genocide. I do see genocidal intent by a number of parties.
I believe an increasing number of these bad actors w
You lose all credibility in terms of taking you seriously on anything when you bandy words like genocide about, in relation to discrimination and hate crimes against trans people.
Legit funny that these guys don't even actually know what "transgender" means at a very basic level.
So I agreed that me jumping to a conclusion was the wrong thing to do as we should allow all the facts to come out.
My question is than why should we not do that for this story? Everyone is believing X posters and left wing media that the attack on this trans individual was because he/she was trans and blaming the state law?
Nobody has made a sort of definitive claim like that the state law is 100% the sole reason for the attack. We don't know. I don't think anyone is overstepping that we almost always won't know. But what we CAN surmise is that when anti-trans legislation like this gets passed, that it is likely to embolden those kind of anti-trans sentiments and potentially lead to cases like this.
It's a similar thing to how any individual forest fire or whatever you can't definitely say climate change caused it, but we do know that climate change is likely to make forest fires worse.
Legit funny that these guys don't even actually know what "transgender" is at a basic level.
"legit funny these guys don't accept our framing on an issue, we are supposed to own language".
You don't. What radical leftist people decide means something, doesn't gain meaning outside of radical leftist circles.
Many of us completly refuse to play ball with your attempt to militarize semantics through self-appointed "experts" in fields you invented lol.
I am not cisfingered just because i happen to have 5 fingers per hand.
You know how all the lefties pine for a return to the times where families could afford a house and car and annual vacations on a single income?
Hold on...what? Like set aside how ridiculous it is for you to go off on this tangent in the context of the brutal assault on a non-binary person, like since when is this a "leftist" thing? Isn't it conservatives that "pine" for the good old days where the dad could go to work and afford a middle class lifestyle with a stay at home wife? Why do you think this is some lefty vision?
Nobody has made a sort of definitive claim like that the state law is 100% the sole reason for the attack. We don't know. I don't think anyone is overstepping that we almost always won't know. But what we CAN surmise is that when anti-trans legislation like this gets passed, that it is likely to embolden those kind of anti-trans sentiments and potentially lead to cases like this.
It's a similar thing to how any individual forest fire or wha
No, in no way or form.
And btw this person was "non binary" which isn't even trans, it's a whole different thing. But we know the letter salad idea is to mix them all up on purpose.
Given that person wasn't even identifying as a boy while being a biological girl, what has the bathroom issue to do with anything that happened?
There is absolutely no reason to think that because legislation gets passed that says a person with female genitalia has to use the women bathroom, then in any way or form bullies beating trans people is more probable. It's an absurd jump with 0 logics , a total non sequitur.
Heterosexuals, ie non homosexuals, non trans. I know your framing is "cis" and trans, i don't use your framing, we don't need a word for the 99.9% of the population.
lmao at not being able to figure out the meaning of basic words like "heterosexual". You can refuse to use "cis" and "trans" all you like, but trying to equate heterosexual with being "non trans" is just laughable.
lmao at not being able to figure out the meaning of basic words like "heterosexual". You can refuse to use "cis" and "trans" all you like, but trying to equate heterosexual with being "non trans" is just laughable.
Can you read the part where i need homosexuals not to be counted, because they might be targeted as well by discrimination?
So I agreed that me jumping to a conclusion was the wrong thing to do as we should allow all the facts to come out.
My question is than why should we not do that for this story? Everyone is believing X posters and left wing media that the attack on this trans individual was because he/she was trans and blaming the state law?
Don't forget, going a step further and claiming it was 4, 5, or 6 on 1 hate crime and stating this person was beaten to death in the bathroom.
In reality it was a 3v2 with some history, and resulted in bruising as the only outwardly facing injuries that day. The grandmother takes her to the hospital and said hospital deems it so serious that the the patient is simply sent back home that same day.
The goal isn't to try and downplay the death of a child, but you definitely don't help matters by outright lying about the facts to try and cast the story in a different light.
This is the type of youth on youth violence that happens every single day in America, and is hardly specific to people with this particular personality quirk.
Heterosexuals, ie non homosexuals, non trans. I know your framing is "cis" and trans, i don't use your framing, we don't need a word for the 99.9% of the population.
I asked hetero because homosexuals might be targeted for that so i want to compare with people who can't be targeted for sexual preferences.
What's your data to show trans are killed more than non trans?
lol
I see you don't have any data to show that trans people are victims of violence more than non trans people.
First google result:
Transgender people are over four times more likely than cisgender people to experience violent victimization, including rape, sexual assault, and aggravated or simple assault, according to a new study by the Williams Institute at UCLA School of Law
Actually, you lose credibility when you respond to posts without reading what was written in the post.
I read what was written in your post. Every demographic has experienced hate crimes bar none. Said demographics aren't being subjected to a precondition of genocide. It certainly doesn't apply wrt to laws against gender affirming care and it's ludicrous hyperbole- at best and offensive at worst- to suggest it is. I can assure you the majority of people simply won't take trans rights seriously when such language is used.
I see you don't have any data to show that trans people are victims of violence more than non trans people.
We are supposed to just believe that's the case because reasons.
of course I have all kinds of data that shows all kinds of horrible abuse in the lgbt community but your posts have to live up to a basic threshold of decency for me to even begin to delve into that data. Also, you go on weird tangents about how it wasn’t white people totally unprompted in response to thoughtful posts after repeatedly denying the existence of multiple well established groups.
I read what was written in your post. Every demographic has experienced hate crimes bar none. Said demographics aren't being subjected to a precondition of genocide. It certainly doesn't apply wrt to laws against gender affirming care and it's ludicrous hyperbole- at best and offensive at worst- to suggest it is. I can assure you the majority of people simply won't take trans rights seriously when such language is used.
The majority of people already do take trans rights seriously which is why there are so many protests against bizarre and discriminatory laws and repeated genocidal rhetoric, and the excuses to brush aside that rhetoric. A more serious person might ask do i really want to live in a country where legislators spend all day crafting new hateful legislation to target small minority groups and excuse crazy amounts of bullying and harassment. What can I do to stop this madness so people can get on with their lives and focus on policies that help people instead of dehumanizing them.
of course I have all kinds of data that shows all kinds of horrible abuse in the lgbt community but your posts have to live up to a basic threshold of decency for me to even begin to delve into that data. Also, you go on weird tangents about how it wasn’t white people totally unprompted in response to thoughtful posts after repeatedly denying the existence of multiple well established groups.
Now we are back to the "lgbt community", when we are only talking about T.
Nice deflection there.
Preliminary data for 2023 is approx 5 / 100k people murdered.
Given 1.6M americans self identify as trans (per YOUR expansive definition that includes gender non binary in it and so on), if a lot more than 80 trans-identifying people were murdered, you could claim something was up.
Except it was like 50 in 2022 (with higher murder rate), and afaik we don't have that data for 2023 yet.
So at least for murder, trans identifying people are being killed at approx HALF THE RATE non trans people are.
According to the logic of some of the "experts" you cited before, that would mean a genocide of non-trans people is in the making
