Israel/Palestine thread
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Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
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Looking at what a lot of people who don't really know say, I think it's something less than 100 full battle tanks have been sent into Gaza, something like 50 have been hit and something like 5 have been destroyed.
The IDF is known for its ability to quickly repair tanks and quickly put them back in the field. The number of Israel tanks actually made permanently inoperable might literally be in single digits. I remember it was a very big deal for Hamas and its sycophants like Victor that a few weeks ago Israel was forced to abandon and destroy a tank so it wouldn't end up in Hamas hands.
But it was such a big deal exactly because it was so rare Israel actually had to resort to this.
I think you're right. Some of the dead counted turned out to be Hamas and some were friendly fire, but the ~700 number that came up when I googled is civilians.
FWIW: of the 8500 Hamas rockets launched in Oct last year 10% misfired, many of which landed in Gaza.
I made the same point. Except I argued Americans would never allow themselves to be lead by suicidal clowns like Hamas.
As I said before, it really is a cheat code in this part of the world where any group can put on a uniform, put the word "Allah" in their group name, declare holy Jihad against Jews, and this makes them pretty much immune from criticism from the average antisemite (which is pretty much everyone), no matter how much they actually suck and make everything worse.
This is probably a low estimate, and is true for the hundreds of thousands of rockets launched in the last 80 years.
Of course not. I just say at least what I think is true. You must have me confused with someone else.
Lotta Hamas rockets misfire for sure. Probably Hamas militants have shot people to keep them from evacuating. Those things probably don't add up to more than 5-10%, but shrug. For sure most of the people killed in Gaza have been killed by the IDF. As far as how many? Yeah, likely 50k or something. Most people who try to count are over 30k and there are certainly a lot of people missing/buried under rubble.
This one always gives me a really good laugh
I recall a quote that was the opposite of that. It was a very long time ago, and I think it was in conjunction with the extremely large number of Chinese forces throwing themselves at greatly outnumbered American positions in the Korean War. It went:
" How do you stop a thousand attackers who dont care if they die?"
"with 100 men who do "
Of course, years later when NATOs strategy was to overcome the Soviets huge advantage in number of tanks by relying on the advanced technology of their tanks and antitank missiles, i.e. quality over quantity, the saying "quantity has a quality all its own" surfaced.
Would be tough to find anything of quite this particular worth, it being unique in its worth.
I suspect that tunnels under Rafah are the life line of Iran smuggling weapons to Hamas and other terrorist groups, and if Israel destroyed these tunnels it would devastate Hamas's terror capabilities. And it would completely change the dynamic of the conflict, which might actually force the Palestinian people to choose peace and prosperity over nihilistic Jihad.
This outcome of course is anethama to the Arab world and progressive left; who both unequivocally support fundamentalist Islamic terrorist groups throwing Palestinian civilians into the Israeli meat grinder in support of nihilistic Jihad.
Proportionality
What does cannon fodder mean to you?
Quantity has a quality all its own. Amen
Cannon fodder unfortunately became an official US policy during the VN war. I don't recall the exact details, but basically if you scored below a certain IQ level or aptitude level on your entry testing after recruitment or getting drafted, you were rejected for military service as you were determined to be essentially untrainable.
But McNamara as SECDEF approved a program where the standards were waived and those previously rejected were then enlisted or drafted. The project was called McNamara's 100,000 though about 300k ended up in it. Later studies estimated that those in the program were killed in VN at about 3 times the rate of other soldiers.
Why do you insist on lying so much?
He's not being replaced during the war
So it's moot
And the number of total Palestinians including both military and civilians dead I s about 30,000 according to the Hamas ministry who likely exaggerates but in this thread the number is over 50k for effect
I doubt Putin gets replaced either, I'm still going to mention what he's doing.
If you'd rather Bibi's name be replaced by "The power in charge" or whatever, feel free. The points don't really change.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024...
Cliffs:
No 2 state
Israel military presence
Acting "govt" cannot be affiliated with terror
Dismantle unrwa, start new agency
Rebuild facilitated by Israel and countries that are friendly to Israel
I read a 26-27k up to 4-6 weeks ago , increased to 28-29, "close to 30k" from many sources, including several pro-Israel ones, i think at least on the causalties we do have enough information to claim that both sides closely agree on those numbers.
There is less agreement on how many of them were hamas ofc.
So why does this thread use the number 50k? For hyperbole?
Yet hamas keeps firing rockets so dumb people call them David vs Israel Goliath
Duped!
So hamas says it's almost 30k, but this thread knows its really 50k amirite
The propoganda machine at work again ... the number has been in the 20s too long the outrage has gone down let's keep saying 50 until people beli it
I don't think this is an argument that you're going to come away looking good with, regardless of what the actual number is.