The costs of trans visibility

The costs of trans visibility

Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....

For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and

. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.

What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.

We need to do better.

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30 June 2023 at 04:48 PM
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by jjjou812 P

See how dumb it sounds when you guess race and then presume motive.

And then you get upset that people say it makes you sound racist.


lol


they were saying it was 3 black students, not me.


by lozen P

Please show me one instance were I have made a assumption on the race of the individual. I made an assumption on gender and owned up to it. I do not see Trolly owning up to the fact he looks to be wrong on his statement which he never will do nor will Uke or Bobo call him out on it

Your most recent instance was gender, not race. You are correct. Your “owning up to it” was pretty pathetic.

If you want, I will bet you a month long ban if I can find an instance of you making a similar assumption about race. That would make the effort worthwhile.


by jjjou812 P

Your most recent instance was gender, not race. You are correct. Your “owning up to it” was pretty pathetic.

If you want, I will bet you a month long ban if I can find an instance of you making a similar assumption about race. That would make the effort worthwhile.

So owning up to a mistake is pathetic?


Yes, like shitty apologies, your admission that “you were wrong but so are others”, coupled with “if we get to talk about the race of a shooter we should also be able to talk about the gender” walk back was pathetic.

Sorry your feelings are hurt.


by jjjou812 P

Yes, like shitty apologies, your admission that “you were wrong but so are others”, coupled with “if we get to talk about the race of a shooter we should also be able to talk about the gender” walk back was pathetic.

Sorry your feelings are hurt.

My feelings are not hurt . Reality is you make crap up, insult folks and get away with it. I am just waiting for that insult that gets you banned. Its coming as you have repeated violations


Nex Benedict was 16 and the purported assailants were indicated by media as "older" so nice attempt at deflecting ... We are talking possibly adults, or at most 17y old who would be almost certainly tried as adults if it ends up being manslaughter or worse, but sure thing we aren't usually told anything about under18 suspects of murder sure.


by Luciom P

What would be the lie, and about what? You think the totality of journalists following what is now a national story don't know the ethnicity of the purported perpetrators?

For real, do you just automatically assume the perpetrator is black anytime you hear about a murder? Just wild times over at 2p2 politics these days.


by Inso0 P

This is technically correct, but also not nearly as jarring because the doctor isn't the main character of the story and won't be referenced a bunch of times. In cases where a character does need to be referenced often, authors will try to find out to avoid the cumbersome prose.

You know exactly what I mean, but you're too covered in ally stickers to acknowledge that it's weird.

This is just as easy. You can refer to a non-binary person as "they" a bunch of times in that case. The point is that it is quite common to use the singular they in as in my doctor example from time to time and most probably don't even notice when they do it, so if this person is now the protagonist of the story and so you want heavy pronoun usage just do that but more. No big deal at all.

I'll caveat one exception which is I write a lot of reference letters and for a good bunch of them I've forgotten most things about them but I reread their projects and grades and that's enough for a decent enough letter. I also often forget their pronouns - not some new age thing like I literally don't remember what they look like anymore and just have an often non-gendered name. So in that case my reference letters excessively reference the name of the person every sentence instead of using pronouns. That is a bit cumbersome for sure, but journalists don't do this for the most part.


by Inso0 P

"Inso0 went to their doctor. They told them they had forumposteritis"

What a cluster****.


How is this any more of a cluster**** than "he told him" where you have to keep track of which pronoun goes with which person and nobody ever complains about how horrible it is.


by Trolly McTrollson P

For real, do you just automatically assume the perpetrator is black anytime you hear about a murder? Just wild times over at 2p2 politics these days.

No i assume he/she is minority every time a long time passes between the event, and us being informed about suspects ethnicity .

Because it is the correct expected probability assumption.

Wonna bet at even money for this event?


by Luciom P

No i assume he/she is minority every time a long time passes between the event, and us being informed about suspects ethnicity .

So that's a yes. Wild.


Wonna bet at even money for this event?

lol sure. Find an escrow.


by Trolly McTrollson P

So that's a yes. Wild.

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No jfc it's not a yes, because minority isn't equal to black lol.

And it's not every murder, it's every murder where we have suspect (s) and where we don't have ethnicity info after 48+ hours
Can be American native, Latino not white looking, asian not south eastern


by washoe P

she was actually looking like a girl, but in guy clothing I thought.

yeah i feel like this is just the new thing that it's easier for confused homosexuals to reconcile "i am gender fluid" rather than "i'm attracted to the wrong gender" and thus how they choose to identify

no, i'm not gay, i'm just born in the wrong body


by washoe P

so this fight by 3 black students or not and one gender fluid, I doubt it was 3 black students btw. I think it was 2 whites and one hispanic is the end result of a long lasting feud between pridefull victimizers, who are the psychopathic far left and their gender madness who produced yet another victim here, actually.

while we don't know the race of the others, it was very clearly a 2v3 where benedict and a friend initiated the conflict by pouring water on the 3 girls, the fight was broken up within 2 minutes by other students

the school found benedict so much at fault that they suspended for 2 weeks

now they aren't even sure if benedict's death was even related to the fight, which apparently wasn't nearly as severe as portrayed in the media initially as they walked out just fine, had a meeting with the principal, and only went to the hospital as a precaution who sent them home without issue and only the next day did ben collapse dead so it's possibly unrelated - hence why they are awaiting conclusive autopsy reports before proceeding with charges


by Trolly McTrollson P


lol sure. Find an escrow.

I can send to you if it's up to a couple hundreds


by rickroll P

while we don't know the race of the others, it was very clearly a 2v3 where benedict and a friend initiated the conflict by pouring water on the 3 girls, the fight was broken up within 2 minutes by other students

the school found benedict so much at fault that they suspended for 2 weeks

now they aren't even sure if benedict's death was even related to the fight, which apparently wasn't nearly as severe as portrayed in the media initially as t

Wait where did you get this update? because if this is true then it could be suicide?


by rickroll P

yeah i feel like this is just the new thing that it's easier for confused homosexuals to reconcile "i am gender fluid" rather than "i'm attracted to the wrong gender" and thus how they choose to identify

no, i'm not gay, i'm just born in the wrong body

Funny that, I've thought something rather similar for the certain types who seem to accept the idea of homosexuality but reject the idea of non-binary, somehow the former is just easier to reconcile in their mind.


by lozen P

Please show me one instance were I have made a assumption on the race of the individual. I made an assumption on gender and owned up to it. I do not see Trolly owning up to the fact he looks to be wrong on his statement which he never will do nor will Uke or Bobo call him out on it


I'm sorry you're still having such difficulty with this, but for probably the fifth or sixth time now, it was never about whether you got their gender identity right or not, it was about why you brought it to the thread in the first place.


by Bobo Fett P

I'm sorry you're still having such difficulty with this, but for probably the fifth or sixth time now, it was never about whether you got their gender identity right or not, it was about why you brought it to the thread in the first place.

So your ok with people making false accusations that I brought up race in posts more or less saying I am a racist

Go xxxx yourself

I made a mistake and owned it yet Trolly does the exact same thing and not a word out of you


by lozen P

So your ok with people making false accusations that I brought up race in posts more or less saying I am a racist

Go xxxx yourself


Not sure why you think I'm OK with that. He said something about building a "racial theory on an incorrect guess about the race of the parties, as Dunyan and Losern are prone to do.", and when you called him on it he said you hadn't done that in this instance. Seems like it was resolved, but I haven't followed every post as that's your and his issue, and I was responding to you bringing me up out of the blue about something totally different, which amazingly you still seem to be confused about. Maybe read it more slowly?

by lozen P

I made a mistake and owned it yet Trolly does the exact same thing and not a word out of you


I'm sorry you're still having such difficulty with this, but for probably the sixth or seventh time now, it was never about whether you got their gender identity right or not, it was about why you brought it to the thread in the first place.

Or to put it another way - you never owned the mistake I was calling you out for, and it doesn't appear to be especially similar to any mistake you might be accusing Trolly of making.


by Luciom P

Wait where did you get this update? because if this is true then it could be suicide?

for all news, wiki tends to be the best option since it cuts through the many competing narratives and instead gives a generally bias free aggregate narrative

does not appear to be a suicide

i shared it all in the above post

by rickroll P

it's also interesting that the reports largely leave out that we do know a lot of details

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_N...


by lozen P

So your ok with people making false accusations that I brought up race in posts more or less saying I am a racist

Go xxxx yourself

I made a mistake and owned it yet Trolly does the exact same thing and not a word out of you

word on the street i'm hearing is that trolly is too stupid to understand he could ever be wrong

that's what i hear though, not an opinion of my own obviously, but that could possibly explain why this occurs if there is any truth to those rumors i hear


^^ I usually catch bans super quick for posts like that, WTF.


by jjjou812 P

This.

Before anyone else jumps on your racist theory, other than resident rickroll, it is common in the US to not disclose juvenile criminals names in the paper.

The tox screen will tell more but it sounds like a missed cranial bleed was not the cause of death from what was stated about the preliminary autopsy report.

by jjjou812 P

Or he could be wrong and build his racial theory on an incorrect guess about the race of the parties, as Dunyan and Losern are prone to do.

Then, after the facts come out, do the typical Lodern walk back to "I should get to be wrong because other media people were wrong too!"

Or he could wait to speculate on that part until more facts are known.

Jjj stop dragging other posters names into things they aren't involved in.

by lozen P

So your ok with people making false accusations that I brought up race in posts more or less saying I am a racist

Go xxxx yourself

I made a mistake and owned it yet Trolly does the exact same thing and not a word out of you

Lozen. Go **** yourself is never an acceptable response to a post. This is your warning


by rickroll P

word on the street i'm hearing is that trolly is too stupid to understand he could ever be wrong

that's what i hear though, not an opinion of my own obviously, but that could possibly explain why this occurs if there is any truth to those rumors i hear


Rick. Your lame attempt to bypass the rules failed. Should you attempt this again you will be banned.

I must be flowing with community spirit today. All warnings and no bans. Please knock this stuff off before the spirit leaves me, like those who leave church on Sunday for brunch and yell at the waitress.


by browser2920 P

Rick. Your lame attempt to bypass the rules failed. Should you attempt this again you will be banned.

can we clarify this

genuinely asking because earlier you made it abundantly clear that such posts were above board just a few weeks ago so i find this unnanounced change in policy confusing


So hmm... video came out for the day of the bathroom incident, Nex talking 2mins with (i guess?) police or school official.

Pretty incredible how it's now clear there was no assault , the 3 girls defended themselves against her aggression


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