The costs of trans visibility

The costs of trans visibility

Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....

For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and

. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.

What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.

We need to do better.

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30 June 2023 at 04:48 PM
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by spaceman Bryce P

Obviously since you’re neither a conservative or a republican that increases the effectiveness in regards to your views making them uncomfortable; you have an original position as a libertarian that most conservatives don’t understand.

Seems doubtful that it's original nor misunderstood fwiw.


by spaceman Bryce P

Obviously since you’re neither a conservative or a republican that increases the effectiveness in regards to your views making them uncomfortable; you have an original position as a libertarian that most conservatives don’t understand.

What you don’t seem to understand in your vicious takedowns of those with more conservative views is that they are concerned with the safety of children, not just gender theory. Those are legitimate concerns.

Gender theory is just the latest attempt to destroy freedom, it's a fairly unique one, a "late stage" one, as it works by starting with the most absurd bullshit axioms and asks people to abdicate reason in full, and the totality of human experience up to that point, starting with the denial of the existence of biological sex.

It's kinda an initiation ritual which works as a signal for members of the tribe: if you are willing to dismantle even that kind of common sense you are the perfectly brainwashed leftist ready to literally accept anything and execute your masters orders. It's the 2+2 = 5 made reality.

That the radical left felt so powerful to try this , and to achieve some results with it, is already freaking scary for every member of society . And then they wanted to mandate it with state violence upon everyone.

So this is actually an existential battle for freedom in society at a core level, the same kind of battle we had to wage and win against religious interference in society in europe. We spent centuries to win there and we have to start again ? hell no.

No BS memeplex that negates reality or posits "untouchable" truths only the clerics can translate, can or should be allowed to ever have any power above other people lives. You want to join a sect, a religion, or an ideological tribe, fine but never even think any of your ideas can be mandated to others. Don't even try.


by spaceman Bryce P

The atmosphere that tying bathrooms specifically to gender assigned at birth and the reasons given create a hostile environment for everyone, including the increasing number of cisgender women accused of being trans. We have never done this before and it has had a lot of negative consequences.

uh?


by Luciom P

Gender theory is just the latest attempt to destroy freedom, it's a fairly unique one, a "late stage" one, as it works by starting with the most absurd bullshit axioms and asks people to abdicate reason in full, and the totality of human experience up to that point, starting with the denial of the existence of biological sex.

It's kinda an initiation ritual which works as a signal for members of the tribe: if you are willing to dismantle eve



The social construction of gender doesn’t deny the existence of biological sex. I don’t know where a libertarian would get such an idea. I would hope most libertarians would be against strict gender norms.


by Luciom P

uh?



many many stories like this one.


by spaceman Bryce P

The social construction of gender doesn’t deny the existence of biological sex. I don’t know where a libertarian would get such an idea. I would hope most libertarians would be against strict gender norms.

Gender theory denies the existence of binary, objective, biological sex, which is why it came up with the absurd "assigned at birth" misnomer.


by Luciom P

Gender theory denies the existence of binary, objective, biological sex, which is why it came up with the absurd "assigned at birth" misnomer.

Gender is assigned at birth. seems odd to think that’s a misnomer.


by spaceman Bryce P


many many stories like this one.

So given the left allows biological males to compete with females, some people see male-looking women competing and get angry.

You know how that gets solved easily? by not allowing biological males to compete with females.


by spaceman Bryce P

Gender is assigned at birth. seems odd to think that’s a misnomer.

jfc you don't get assigned anything at birth a part from your name, you get looked at while in the womb often, sometimes at birth, and described for what you are biologically, you aren't given a gender, we discover your sex!!!!

You aren't assigned biped either, or 5 fingered, you are looked at , fingers counted, hears, feet and so on


by Luciom P

Gender theory is just the latest attempt to destroy freedom, it's a fairly unique one, a "late stage" one, as it works by starting with the most absurd bullshit axioms and asks people to abdicate reason in full, and the totality of human experience up to that point, starting with the denial of the existence of biological sex.

It's kinda an initiation ritual which works as a signal for members of the tribe: if you are willing to dismantle eve

I think your power struggle between left and right is a figment of your imagination.

Kids get bullied and ostracized for a ton of different reasons, some real and some fictitious - race, wealth, how they dress, looks, body parts, sexual preference, etc. Why is adding gender to that list, whether it is "real", just a bridge too far for your narrow mind?

Most adults recognize that there are vast differences in people and, at least here, want to co exist with others, despite these differences. Teaching their kids these values is what you are seeing national support for.


by jjjou812 P

I think your power struggle between left and right is a figment of your imagination.

Kids get bullied and ostracized for a ton of different reasons, some real and some fictitious - race, wealth, how they dress, looks, body parts, sexual preference, etc. Why is adding gender to that list, whether it is "real", just a bridge too far for your narrow mind?

Most adults recognize that there are vast differences in people and, at least here, wa

uh? because it ends up to taking drugs that sterilize you, and then hormones, and then surgery? you forgot that part already?

We need to protect minors from this newest religion that claims your soul can be trapped in the wrong body and by drugging and mutilating your body you can clean yourself, that's about it. If adults later fall from it, being a libertarian i accept them should be free to change their body for whatever reason , including religious ones. Not on taxpayer money though.


by Luciom P

jfc you don't get assigned anything at birth a part from your name, you get looked at while in the womb often, sometimes at birth, and described for what you are biologically, you aren't given a gender, we discover your sex!!!!

You aren't assigned biped either, or 5 fingered, you are looked at , fingers counted, hears, feet and so on

You do get assigned gender at birth. That’s indisputable.


by Luciom P

Gender theory is just the latest attempt to destroy freedom, it's a fairly unique one, a "late stage" one, as it works by starting with the most absurd bullshit axioms and asks people to abdicate reason in full, and the totality of human experience up to that point, starting with the denial of the existence of biological sex.

It's kinda an initiation ritual which works as a signal for members of the tribe: if you are willing to dismantle eve

It's mostly just a reification that's taken on a bit of a life of its own.


by spaceman Bryce P

You do get assigned gender at birth. That’s indisputable.

Imagine someone born in some country where gender is not assigned at birth. Do they still have a gender?


by Luckbox Inc P

Imagine someone born in some country where gender is not assigned at birth. Do they still have a gender?

Yes.


by spaceman Bryce P

You do get assigned gender at birth. That’s indisputable.

Actually there are many on the left that want that removed from a birth certificate and the AMA is recommending it be removed


by jjjou812 P

Kids get bullied and ostracized for a ton of different reasons, some real and some fictitious - race, wealth, how they dress, looks, body parts, sexual preference, etc. Why is adding gender to that list, whether it is "real", just a bridge too far?

Exactly this. Even if one wants to take the silly stance that being trans isn't "real", it affects human behaviours in real and measurable ways because people think and act as if it is real. Someone can be bullied - or be the one doing the bullying - a trans kid which is an action that occurs regardless of whether being trans is real or not, whatever is meant by that.


by lozen P

Actually there are many on the left that want that removed from a birth certificate and the AMA is recommending it be removed

I do too.


by uke_master P

Exactly this. Even if one wants to take the silly stance that being trans isn't "real", it affects human behaviours in real and measurable ways because people think and act as if it is real. Someone can be bullied - or be the one doing the bullying - a trans kid which is an action that occurs regardless of whether being trans is real or not, whatever is meant by that.

Being trans as a kid isn't real, because in order to be trans you need to feel your body isn't appropriate for what your mind thinks your sex is.

And that can only happen if the mind and the body arent' aligned after they are both fully formed, and the feeling of detachment is constant for years after that.

You can't be trans YET until you completed your puberty, and for years after that.

You might be a candidate early to be a trans later, but it's still potentially reversible until you go through puberry in full and so on, and saving even a single non-trans from sterilization and mutilation is more important than allowing any number of people who actually end up as trans to skip puberty, simple as that.

There is no reason to consider bullying predicated on a girl going around claiming she is a boy to be any worse than all other kind of bullying, nor it requires any special treatment, rule, or law.

Violent physical bullying should always be banned, direct insults as well, everything else allowed, it's not particularly complicated.


by spaceman Bryce P

You do get assigned gender at birth. That’s indisputable.

You don't get assigned an hair color, your hair is looked at and people write down the color.

Same as they look at you and write down your SEX , not gender, SEX, the biological, objective characteristic of mammal bodies you know. They aren't assigning you anything, they are measuring what exists.


by Luciom P

Being trans as a kid isn't real, because in order to be trans you need to feel your body isn't appropriate for what your mind thinks your sex is.

And that can only happen if the mind and the body arent' aligned after they are both fully formed, and the feeling of detachment is constant for years after that.

You can't be trans YET until you completed your puberty, and for years after that.

I think this is silly, but the point here is that it is also irrelevant. Even if you don't think it is "real", young trans kids can nevertheless feel and act - and be reacted to by society. If you want to say it is only after year of "detachment" that it becomes real fine, stick with that silly opinion. But it doesn't affect the real feels and real behaviours of people.

by Luciom P

There is no reason to consider bullying predicated on a girl going around claiming she is a boy to be any worse than all other kind of bullying, nor it requires any special treatment, rule, or law.

Violent physical bullying should always be banned, direct insults as well, everything else allowed, it's not particularly complicated.

Well I agree in spirit, but would point out it is your side that seems to be all about passing special rules and laws targetting trans people.


bryce, you're finding stuff like that because you're reading stuff written by activist journalists

she is not even a journalist, just look at the sheer volume she produces, she's just an aggregator

and look at the topics, literally every single thing she aggregates is about climate change/environment, gun control, trump lawsuits, etc - she's very clearly choosing coverage not by a traditioanl genre but rather things that align with her values

so when some drunken idiot yells "hey is that a dude running track vs my daughter" which is an absolute nothing burger (just check reddit/youtube/twitter and you'll find hundreds of examples of stupid parents being stupid at children's sporting events) it becomes "national news" because she has ordained it as such

https://www.newsweek.com/authors/anna-sk...


by uke_master P


Well I agree in spirit, but would point out it is your side that seems to be all about passing special rules and laws targetting trans people.

There is almost no "targeting trans people" afaik, there is just a "being trans won't require ANYTHING from others", ie you are allowed to think you are in the wrong body but no one in society is mandated to affirm that in any way or form , and what society wants to segregate by sex won't use your silly definitions.

You will be allowed to say trans people are targeted only when/if transitioning gets outlawed, or the fact of being trans makes you ineligible for something. The latter happend with the militaries and that's it afaik.

But protecting minors from radical leftism and the obscene outcomes it leads to in this arena, isn't about "targeting trans people". Having men compete with men in sports isn't. And so on.

It's about affirming that society doesn't change to accomodate whatever thing the left invents, as it shouldn't. Personal freedom doesn't include forcing your ideas on anyone else.


by uke_master P

I think this is silly, but the point here is that it is also irrelevant. Even if you don't think it is "real", young trans kids can nevertheless feel and act - and be reacted to by society. If you want to say it is only after year of "detachment" that it becomes real fine, stick with that silly opinion. But it doesn't affect the real feels and real behaviours of people.

As long as they can't take puberty blockers, hormones, not get mutilated by doctors, i don't care too much for the rest. If they need psychological counsel they should get it like any other minor that needs it. Ofc we should completly eradicate leftism from psychology as well but that's another thing.

It is not "irrelevant", as the idea trans youth exist is why those doctors are allowed to give them those drugs. They shouldn't be allowed.


by Luciom P

Being trans as a kid isn't real, because in order to be trans you need to feel your body isn't appropriate for what your mind thinks your sex is.

And that can only happen if the mind and the body arent' aligned after they are both fully formed, and the feeling of detachment is constant for years after that.

You can't be trans YET until you completed your puberty, and for years after that.

You might be a candidate early to be a trans later, but

This post represents a basic misunderstanding of what it means to live in the wrong gender. This is common, because most people are assigned a gender consistent with their true gender.


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