The costs of trans visibility

The costs of trans visibility

Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....

For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and

. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.

What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.

We need to do better.

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30 June 2023 at 04:48 PM
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by Luciom P

There is almost no "targeting trans people" afaik.

You don't think laws that ban trans people going to the washroom of their gender target trans people? Is this one of those silly word play games where you say that because it also bans, say, cis men from going in women's bathrooms it isn't targetting trans people at all despite the obvious group being negatively affected is trans people?


by uke_master P

You don't think laws that ban trans people going to the washroom of their gender target trans people? Is this one of those silly word play games where you say that because it also bans, say, cis men from going in women's bathrooms it isn't targetting trans people at all despite the obvious group being negatively affected is trans people?

couldn't you argue that it targets everyone who uses bathrooms?


by rickroll P

couldn't you argue that it targets everyone who uses bathrooms?

this is why I just try to pee outside as much as I can.


by rickroll P

couldn't you argue that it targets everyone who uses bathrooms?

You could, but that would be silly. The obvious group that it negatively effects - and the reason for all this new legislation in republican states - is specifically because of trans people.


by uke_master P

You don't think laws that ban trans people going to the washroom of their gender target trans people? Is this one of those silly word play games where you say that because it also bans, say, cis men from going in women's bathrooms it isn't targetting trans people at all despite the obvious group being negatively affected is trans people?

It doesn't target trans people. It blocks radical leftists from imposing their views on society.

Even if the left does everything in its power to cover them, rightwing trans people exist, and they don't want to use the other bathrooms, nor to impose anything on third parties, they just want to be left alone which is all right-wing people normally ask for.


by spaceman Bryce P

This post represents a basic misunderstanding of what it means to live in the wrong gender. This is common, because most people are assigned a gender consistent with their true gender.

"Live in the wrong gender"


by uke_master P

You could, but that would be silly. The obvious group that it negatively effects - and the reason for all this new legislation in republican states - is specifically because of trans people.

So if it negatively effects the trans gender person because they can not use the bathroom of their choice can that not be said for the individual that feels uncomfortable having that trans person in their space ?

As it goes for washrooms this is mainly for older schools because newer schools are being built with gender neutral washrooms . I am not sure how this will work if you have separate washrooms for boys/girls and than a non gender bathroom or will all the washrooms be gender neutral

When it comes to commercial spaces you are just seeing companies get away from men and women's washrooms and having a bunch of single washrooms which they designate gender neutral which is smart. I am not sure schools have the space


by Luciom P

As long as they can't take puberty blockers, hormones, not get mutilated by doctors, i don't care too much for the rest. If they need psychological counsel they should get it like any other minor that needs it. Ofc we should completly eradicate leftism from psychology as well but that's another thing.

It is not "irrelevant", as the idea trans youth exist is why those doctors are allowed to give them those drugs. They shouldn't be allowed.

But this isn’t even remotely true. You you care about the worldwide “have a dick” bathroom rule that is under attack and that any use of pronouns because of gender is a slippery slope to leftist world domination according to your last dozen posts here.


by Luciom P

uh? because it ends up to taking drugs that sterilize you, and then hormones, and then surgery? you forgot that part already?

We need to protect minors from this newest religion that claims your soul can be trapped in the wrong body and by drugging and mutilating your body you can clean yourself, that's about it. If adults later fall from it, being a libertarian i accept them should be free to change their body for whatever reason , includin

But, of course, this case has nothing to do with drugs, sterilization or surgery, or any other worst case scenario you think you need to protect people from themselves and their doctors. Again, another straw an argument by you.

This is a case about a female, who identified as non binary, dressed like a male, was bullied for it and may have died from an altercation in a bathroom she was forced by law to use. No one was forcing a leftist ideology on anyone. No mention of taking drugs, body mutilation, or taxpayer money.

It’s just you, trying to justify why it’s okay to bully kids based on your concern for right wingers feels.


by Luciom P

….they just want to be left alone which is all right-wing people normally ask for.

The group that wants to control sexual conduct between two adults, marriage laws, access to birth control and criminalize abortion just want to be left alone. You are hysterical.


by Luciom P

and it worked fine before as well

Not really....people getting beat up in school bathrooms is a well-known thing.


by Didace P

Aren't these bathrooms places where the toilets are in individual little rooms that lock. And then the sinks are in a very open area? Much different than stalls that offer little privacy and urinals lined up against the wall.

Correct, and this kind of restroom should be the standard.

News flash: boys don't really like having to pee with other boys watching either. I have no idea why this was ever seen as acceptable.


by Luciom P

So given the left allows biological males to compete with females, some people see male-looking women competing and get angry.

You know how that gets solved easily? by not allowing biological males to compete with females.

Or even more easily, by parents stopping being *******s....well, I guess that's not too easy for most parents unfortunately.


by chillrob P

Correct, and this kind of restroom should be the standard.

News flash: boys don't really like having to pee with other boys watching either. I have no idea why this was ever seen as acceptable.

Because it required less space, and before we had those options people just urinated near trees or in street corners.

Keep in mind for a while we had the "turk" bathroom as well for solid, which is something no one is comfortable using either


by chillrob P

Correct, and this kind of restroom should be the standard.

News flash: boys don't really like having to pee with other boys watching either. I have no idea why this was ever seen as acceptable.

I have never had an issue with it in school I can remember the ball park having troughs to pee in . Though I can remember being scared silly to go in a cubicle . Id go home if I had to poop 😀


Interesting article/ opinion piece on child gender transition

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/health/other/o...


by chillrob P

News flash: boys don't really like having to pee with other boys watching either. I have no idea why this was ever seen as acceptable.

Is this another poll with a sample size of one?


Yeah, tell that to all the kids who just drop their pants to their ankles and go to town at a full length urinal.

The hiding of your junk in a bathroom is a learned behavior.

Basically everything tied to shame is a learned behavior, and our general lack of shame is why society is so ****ed right now.


by spaceman Bryce P

The atmosphere that tying bathrooms specifically to gender assigned at birth and the reasons given create a hostile environment for everyone, including the increasing number of cisgender women accused of being trans. We have never done this before and it has had a lot of negative consequences.


None of that changes the fact that Nex could have been bullied or faced trouble in a male female or coed restroom. As could any other teen for a myriad of reasons. I don;t think the type of restroom is the issue here.


by uke_master P

You could, but that would be silly. The obvious group that it negatively effects - and the reason for all this new legislation in republican states - is specifically because of trans people.

again, your bias is showing, you fail to even recognize it's not about trans people at all, it's so people like me can't just walk into the ladies room


by rickroll P

again, your bias is showing, you fail to even recognize it's not about trans people at all, it's so people like me can't just walk into the ladies room

Your human rights are being denied, what if tomorrow you felt non binary? It's always a trans issue when anyone at any moment can feel non binary, which is literally what Bryce claimed to be the case.


When the legislation is passed with laws about transgender athletes and gender care, it’s not about people like you, whatever that group may be.


by Inso0 P

Yeah, tell that to all the kids who just drop their pants to their ankles and go to town at a full length urinal.

The hiding of your junk in a bathroom is a learned behavior.

Basically everything tied to shame is a learned behavior, and our general lack of shame is why society is so ****ed right now.

this, a lot of old bathrooms in china don't even have dividers on the stalls, no exaggeration

sometimes they offer a little bit of privacy


sometimes none


and yes, those are all squat toilets for taking dumps, they have the troughs for urination at the front of the bathroom

came across this bathroom in palestine, texas - which looked like quite the adventurous place to take a dump



by rickroll P

again, your bias is showing, you fail to even recognize it's not about trans people at all, it's so people like me can't just walk into the ladies room

Lol. You think that the slew of anti-trans laws from GOP governments in the last couple years is all about the sudden new problem of cis men going into women's bathrooms and not at all related to the obvious ****ing target which is trans people?

ok buddy


by Luciom P

Your human rights are being denied, what if tomorrow you felt non binary? It's always a trans issue when anyone at any moment can feel non binary, which is literally what Bryce claimed to be the case.

I did not say that.


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