Police brutality and police reform (US)
couple links. im sure you can find others. the video is essentially showing the killing so be advised.
Minneapolis police were called to a scene involving a possibly bad check at a grocery store. police say he was resisting arrest. one officer is shown to kneel with full body weight on Floyds neck, while Floyd tells the officer he cant breathe, the officer continues to suffocate Floyd until he appears to become unconscious and Floyd dies either on the way to hospital/or at hospital depending on the reports.
police initially recorded the event as "suspect had medical distress".
this is one of those events where i believe that every single officer at the scene should be fired at the minimum for allowing Floyd to be killed in their presence and obviously the officer killing floyd to be prosecuted to the fullest extent possible. i have not looked up the minnesota murder statutes but in my jurisdiction this would seem to be Murder 2, imo which is the "depraved mind" willful disregard for human life non premeditation version.
i dont know if there will be much discussion on this one as it appears fairly cut and dry that this was an absolute unnecessary killing over some groceries in a depression. but i thought it deserved a thread.
Not only public drug use, but there definitely has been lots more homeless people on the streets as well as more garbage everywhere vandalism, shoplifting, car (and car parts) theft, small businesses being robbed, etc.
In the last year things have improved somewhat, but downtown/inner city Portland is still not as inviting a place as it was before 2020, and it's tough to get lots of people who live in the suburbs to even be willing to go int
You sure the decimalization of hard drugs caused that? What you've described sounds like the same changes in every large city over the last few years.
You sure the decimalization of hard drugs caused that? What you've described sounds like the same changes in every large city over the last few years.
No, that's why I said it could have been partially caused by Covid and related shutdowns.
I don't have before and after 2020 experience with many other big cities to compare it to, but I didn't notice any similar changes in Las Vegas or San Diego.
When I visited Portland many times (before moving here) between 2013-2019, I was always impressed by how nice the downtown area was. I remember telling people it was the only downtown I had ever visited where I would consider living.
Unfortunately, that is no longer the case. Though it's nowhere near as scary as some right wing sources want to make it seem; really now it's more of a typical downtown instead of much nicer, like it used to be.
Not only public drug use, but there definitely has been lots more homeless people on the streets as well as more garbage everywhere vandalism, shoplifting, car (and car parts) theft, small businesses being robbed, etc.
In the last year things have improved somewhat, but downtown/inner city Portland is still not as inviting a place as it was before 2020, and it's tough to get lots of people who live in the suburbs to even be willing to go int
Unfortunately, this isn't unique to Portland. Louisville, like Portland, saw a lot of violence during the BLM riots and it is a ghost town now. A lot of businesses have moved out of downtown and people aren't doing there much anymore. The KY mayor Andy beshear supported BLM as long as they respect the CDC covid guidelines.
Cool study showing which cities have recovered the best/worst:
https://downtownrecovery.com/charts/rank...
No, that's why I said it could have been partially caused by Covid and related shutdowns.
Just to be clear: People not wanting to go downtown Portland or any other city is not caused by covid. It was the shutdowns and violence.
Unfortunately, this isn't unique to Portland. Louisville, like Portland, saw a lot of violence during the BLM riots and it is a ghost town now. A lot of businesses have moved out of downtown and people aren't doing there much anymore. The KY mayor Andy beshear supported BLM as long as they respect the CDC covid guidelines.
Cool study showing which cities have recovered the best/worst:
https://downtownrecovery.com/charts/rank...
Just to be cle
There wasn’t much violence
Unless you’re talking about Bezos making the shutdowns occur so his competition couldn’t survive?
Small businesses were violently put out of business, benefiting Amazon and taking away peoples reasons to go downtown.
But what violence are you talking about exactly?
There wasn’t much violence
Unless you’re talking about Bezos making the shutdowns occur so his competition couldn’t survive?
Small businesses were violently put out of business, benefiting Amazon and taking away peoples reasons to go downtown.
But what violence are you talking about exactly?
There wasn’t much violence where? Before you answer please keep in mind that we all have the internet. I was talking about physical violence in the streets of louisville and Portland.
I agree with you that the government shutdowns hurt small businesses far more than they hurt big businesses. Democrats should be help responsible for pushing shutdowns so hard and for so long.
There wasn’t much violence where? Before you answer please keep in mind that we all have the internet. I was talking about physical violence in the streets of louisville and Portland.
this is going on a bit in multiple threads almost like it might be worth it's own thread. the internet isn't a real place. saying you have evidence from cherry picked nypost articles that are trying to fearmonger you into clicking isn't the win you think it is.. the internet thinks large chunks of portland and other cities burnt down during the protests.. the internet thinks there is an "invasion" at the southern border. so a bunch of redneck truckers went down there and realized it was all made up..
There wasn’t much violence
Unless you’re talking about Bezos making the shutdowns occur so his competition couldn’t survive?
Small businesses were violently put out of business, benefiting Amazon and taking away peoples reasons to go downtown.
But what violence are you talking about exactly?
Someone doesn't know what violence means. Everything in this post is ridiculous.
I don't even know which small businesses you could be referring to here.
There wasn’t much violence where? Before you answer please keep in mind that we all have the internet. I was talking about physical violence in the streets of louisville and Portland.
I agree with you that the government shutdowns hurt small businesses far more than they hurt big businesses. Democrats should be help responsible for pushing shutdowns so hard and for so long.
What exactly are you saying
Violence from protests was extreme??
Moderate
Slight
$2 billion in damages, thousands of people injured, thousands of arrests and a few hand full of deaths.
“The costs have amounted to the costliest period of civil unrest in insurance history, overtaking the 1992 Los Angeles riots that cost $775million which, with inflation according to Axios, would be $1.42billion.”
There was nothing moderate about the violence BLM worked hard to create.
And those peaceful capitol protestors were maybe guilty of jaywalking if that, right bah bah Michael?
And those peaceful capitol protestors were maybe guilty of jaywalking if that, right bah bah Michael?
Just because the capitol protestors were far less violent and had the same odds of overthrowing the most powerful country in the world as the BLM rioters had doesn’t mean what they did was legal. We should arrest the rioters from both groups or neither group, but both groups is far more preferable IMO.
It can be challenging for dumbasses to be violent when nobody's home.
Capitol Police bore the brunt, but they weren't even the targets.
$2 billion in damages, thousands of people injured, thousands of arrests and a few hand full of deaths.
“The costs have amounted to the costliest period of civil unrest in insurance history, overtaking the 1992 Los Angeles riots that cost $775million which, with inflation according to Axios, would be $1.42billion.”
There was nothing moderate about the violence BLM worked hard to create.
Yes, but think of all the good that came from the movement. Sometimes you have to loot/burn stores, block traffic and harass diners to get social change.
I think of the very nice houses BLM leaders bought with donations and that helps sleep at night
Not just donations but public money via grants.
Here in Boston, this shining example leads the way:
sounds like they were just doing capitalism. why the hate Luci?
In this thread people learn that they don’t get to decide what donated money is used for
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024...
A dude kills his wife and then takes his 15yo daughter against her will. The police stop them and tell the 15yo girl to get out of the car and come to them and then when she does they shoot her dead.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024...
A dude kills his wife and then takes his 15yo daughter against her will. The police stop them and tell the 15yo girl to get out of the car and come to them and then when she does they shoot her dead.
Pretty epic **** up.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024...
A dude kills his wife and then takes his 15yo daughter against her will. The police stop them and tell the 15yo girl to get out of the car and come to them and then when she does they shoot her dead.
damn.
a situation that perfectly encapsulates why we need police and also why we distrust/hate them. couple of thoughts:
-i think its pretty poor procedure to engage in a gunfight with a guy who has a hostage. granted, had this been in a more public environment, one could argue the cops have to take the risks and shoot back to prevent more than one murder. this does not seem like one of those situations.
-the cop yelling "come here" should be fired, at least and possibly charged with more. there is crossfire going on and she's lying on the ground. arguably the safest place she could be, all things considered.
-if they can isolate who actually shot the girl, said cop(s) should be tried for manslaughter at a minimum.
- the clear lack of training these guys have is disturbing. im friends with an ex-boston cop, who also served overseas. he said the training for the military dwarfs what cops get, which sort of bewilders me. these guys should be prepared for situations like this instead of allowing adrenaline to take over and just spamming the trigger.
