[Bodog/Bovada/Ignition] Unofficial Thread

I posted the jungleman patrick howard discussion on the ignition forum and a moderator deleted it within an hour.

Someone had posted this maybe a month or two ago, but hearing it from Patrick solidified to for me, the BOTS ARE THE COLLUDERS. It isn't like they have a bot problem and a colluding problem - the bots are using a mixture of MDA and RTA, and on top of that, they are also colluding with each other.

I think it would go a long way if they would just admit they have a problem (even if they can't solve it yet) and promise to issue refunds once they start banning and confiscating the funds. One thing that had given me some hope was thinking they were working with people like Patrick to at least help identify them (which can't be that difficult because all of us that played in the last year can pretty much tell you which ones are the bots). The fact that no high stakes players or anyone has come out and said they are working with the security team doesn't give me much confidence.

I would certainty start playing again if I felt like the games were relatively secure (of course there will always be cheating in poker, online and live).

The massive stack thing I have noticed too. Long time winner and semi-pro off and on since 2008. In 2018 I won 100 buy ins in a month at lower stakes. Now I can barely scrape EV in these games and I am grinding my ass off. Zone lower stakes.

The stakes do not matter, the same bots are from 5nl zone and up.

On top of the fact that you might be getting cheated, I never thought that the random number generator on this site was any good. From day one I always had questions as to whether this was really random and how realistic it was. they don't have a license for their poker software or their random number generator. So you would have to ask why not? I never trusted the random generator on this site from day one

Anybody besides me having trouble signing onto this POS site today?

I've been playing 500-2knl on Bov/Ignition since black friday (14 or so years) and what I've experienced the past two years is something I have never experienced in my poker career. What I thought was a one off run bad year in 2022 continued all throughout 2023. It's been literally like groundhogs day, win x buy ins, lose it all back, rinse and repeat. Super tough to deal with mentally. I'd think to myself- it has to turn around right? Remember the law of big numbers. Am I playing significantly worse than I used to or am I getting passed by? WTF is going on?...

Pre 2022 win rates:
500nl 4.5bb/100 340k hands
1knl 4bb/100 820k hands
2knl 5bb/100 290k hands

post 2022 win rates:

500nl -6bb/100 35k hands
1knl -0.87/100 240k hands
2knl 2.54bb/100 45k hands

I continue to play on the site and am hopeful for something to change in the near future but reading this thread the outlook seems pretty bleak.

My winrate at 200nl was cut in more than half in 2022 before I quit playing Bodog. Sad to see but also feels good to know that I really was getting cheated and not just on the worst run of variance in my life.

Considering the complete lack of security, it's kinda crazy it took this long for a team to destroy the games. Hundreds of thousands if not millions of $ up for grabs and all you have to do is be extremely unethical and halfway ok at cards to snatch a share. Where else can you even attempt to steal that much money with absolutely 0 risk of consequences? It's really surprising it took until 2022 to get this bad but who knows, maybe there was some kind of security team in the past.

i'm not saying that suspicious things aren't happening on iggy/bovada, however having a 300k hand stretch (where you still have a winrate) is actually very standard. the problem is, in a lifetime sample - lets' say 5mill hands - you can expect to have several 200k+ hand break even or losing stretches. The reality is that the vast majority of regs are deluded that this type of variance exists due to having played relatively very few hands lifetime.

Its conceivable that you ran a bit above over the first 1.4mm hands, coupled with lower quality of player. That isn't to say you're not running bad now, or as i said, being cheated fwiw. cus there 100% is dodgy **** going down on iggy rn

So I'm sitting at a full sit n go that won't start. Looks like a bunch of other tables are in the same situation. They're listed as "full" but nobody's playing.

I don't know. To me it's just seems weird the outcomes. I am not saying it's rigged, maybe it just a case that they don't put alot of resources into their security or or others things. I have a good win rate playing plo there but would never trust it at higher stakes. It's like u get into a bad run and u can't win when u flop quads the guy hits runner runner straight flush......and i have seen that before a few times. I just never really trusted the site after the change from bodog.

I am a noob, but the Only wrong with this site is the collusion of bots? Because I play NL25 and I know the variance but sometimes is incredible the One outer or two outer than the recreational hits on the river and my stupid head think that this site is "rigged" and is beneficious for the recs

so it's the same (type) bots across ALL stakes here now? I'm more wondering about < 50NL

my first 3k hands back to online poker in a very long time is truly phenomenally "fake and gay" -- really didnt think it was possible for an algo to be this bad.
(currnetly playing 25NL/50NL just to get my feet wet online) on Ignition get used to the software make sure I can withdraw successfully etc but my gosh after this idk, prob just gna play live 2/5 instead which is what i was playing last when I stopped playing poker. I dont think I have seen one standard variance spot yet like coolers or flips or decent made hand vs good draw. People just keep stumbling into random 2pairs/sets/flushes/straights after making bad aggro plays preflop/flop with bad hands. Thats much less fun variance. Losing AKvsQQ 10 times in a row at least feels normal or running into AA everytime you have QQ/KK again feels normal, what ive been running into just doesnt feel normal

The rng complaints are derailing the actual discussion here..

I am also curious if people have seen clear signs of bots/collusion below 50nl or if that’s just speculation. I’ve seen some strange stuff lately at 25z - namely players with huge stacks 3betting and caling down apparenty random hands but at lower levels it could always be button clicking/random play.

Same here. What ended up happening in your case?

The Sit n Go's aren't starting immediately after the max registrants have entered. Seems to be about a 15-20min delay on the start of the games in which a bunch of players are afk obviously.
Jackpots also not loading but at least it doesn't take your money.
Happening yesterday as well.

TBH i would have never randomly came in here and talked about my experience it was only because i was on here again for the first time in years seeing what was legal at the time in US and when i came to this thread just saw all sorts of people talking about how sus Ignition was and my albeit small sample size of 2-3k hands was absolutely absurd. I didnt even feel like I was playing poker if im honest. None of my spots were normal. Just so many bizzare spots and almost no normal spots is what weirds me out.

It's not sometimes unbelievable it's all the time unbelievable. Every hand I lose on the site is basically a bad beat. I never lose a hand where it's like a 50/50. Every hand I lose I get my money in as an 85% favorite or better in pot limit Omaha and lose

Yesterday my table started about 20 to 30 minutes later. I came back to see every player inactive except one, who was feasting on all our chips. So I ended up feasting as well as nobody else showed up.

Today it's still doing it but the delay isn't quite as long. I played one earlier and the delay was about 5 minutes.

Pretty ridiculous that they allow this to continue without fixing it.

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So just a heads up. As of right now the delay looks as bad as it did yesterday.

I've been watching two full 6-player sit n go's that match my type and my stakes for 15 minutes. Neither has gone yet.

So stay away from the sit n go's for now!

Unreal.

Small sample but...

2022:

500nl 72k hands: 7.2 bb/100
200nl 40k hands: 9.15 bb/100

2023:

500nl 78k hands: 1.48 bb/100
200nl 96k hands: 2.2 bb/100

Anecdotally, lot of shenanigans started happening last year. Reviewing some hands there is some obv collusion, wonder if it's worth it to even report the table number + player ID's.

I think it's worth it even if nothing is being done at the moment.