Ukraine-Russia War Take 2
Here is what the preliminary take on the Ukraine thread disappearing is:
The site was hit with a massive spam attack where hundreds of spam threads were created. In the case where, for example, I see a single spam thread and delete it, that is called a soft delete, and mods can still see them but forum members cannot. Those deletion can be undone.
When a massive attack hits with hundreds of threads, an admin uses a different procedure where the hundreds of spam threads are merged and then hard deleted, where the threads are gone, and no note is left behind. As I have mentioned with my own experience of just soft deleting a large number of posts, sometimes a post or thread gets checked or merged accidentally and is deleted by mistake. Dealing with hundreds of spam threads takes a sledgehammer, not a scalpel.
It appears that our Ukraine thread may have gotten caught up in that recent net of spam threads. If so, it is likely gone for good. I cant say this for sure, and am awaiting comments from admins on this issue. Yes, this sucks. And hopefully there was some other software glitch that caused the disappearance, and we may recover it in the future.
But in the meantime, I have created this new Ukraine-Russia War thread to enable the conversation to continue. Obviously continuity with earlier discussions will be lost. There is no way around that. So as best as possible, let's pick up the conversation with recent events and go from there.
If you have any questions about this, please post them in the mod thread, not here. Let's keep this thread going with posts about the war, not the disappearance of the old thread.
Thanks.
This was obvious since before you even posted. It's just funny that you'd call Zelenskyy's numbers absurd, then point to the stats which shows that his numbers are completely realistic... and you did this after I already explained that that set of numbers make his numbers realistic.
its funny that you think an American assessment of 130k casualties a year ago would indicate only 30k deaths.
Deaths and casualties aren't the same thing.
The figures from the leaks with 130k casualties broke down to 15k to 18 KIA and 110k to 115k WIA, which is completely in line with what Zelenskyy is saying.
Once again: deaths and casualties aren't the same thing. So at 30k deaths Ukraine would have 260k casualties if the ratios stayed the same. Completely reasonable.
Also if there's any MIA/KIA stuff going on that raises the number more towards 40k.
edit: Wikipedia updated it for this actually. I thought MIA would be around 9k. Ukraine claims 15k, so that would bring it up to 46k.
yes I know the difference. you should check my mod notes! I got a refraction and maybe a ban (I dunno who can remember) for educating a certain chilly poster on the difference!
Ill give the first part here .
I am a clear novice on the history of that region but the analysis is very well done imho .
I’m probably bias (not on which side but the « quality » of the analysis) because I have so much respect to prof Werner but anyway ….
I bet even victor would like it !
Broken YouTube Link
It gives good perspective imo
my favorite part was when Putin said that Tucker was CIA. just wreckt him.
Mark Galeotti said that the interview was interesting for all the same reasons it was extremely boring, meaning that what Putin was saying was boring and dumb, but it was great insight into who he is as a person.
The snipe about Tucker not making it into the CIA is the greatest example imo. Putin clearly has a disdain for journalists, as well as "traitors" (which he would definitely view Tucker as one). Even despite the fact that Tucker was there to help Putin, Putin just could not help himself and had to at least attempt to insult Tucker.
Mark Galeotti said that the interview was interesting for all the same reasons it was extremely boring, meaning that what Putin was saying was boring and dumb, but it was great insight into who he is as a person.
Before the invasion I remember Putin sent out some manifesto about his vision to unite the "Russian people" of Russia, Belorussia and Ukraine into a modern Russian empire as a bulwark against the Western World. And he doesn't really accept the concept that Ukraine wants to be its own country and not part of any Russian empire.
At some point when someone keeps telling you who they are and what they want, you have to believe them.
Yep I've said the exact same thing. He announced Ukraine doesn't exist before launching the largest military campaign since WW2 and beginning a genocide.
Even Tucker realized he's unhinged and unusable. Tucker clearly wanted Putin to say he's battling Deep State and culture wars, but instead gave him revanchist history about why he has the right to conquer and commit genocide. I don't think it sold well even to the far right.
I'm curious how anyone could make the argument against sending military aid to Ukraine now.
Mark Galeotti said that the interview was interesting for all the same reasons it was extremely boring, meaning that what Putin was saying was boring and dumb, but it was great insight into who he is as a person.
The snipe about Tucker not making it into the CIA is the greatest example imo. Putin clearly has a disdain for journalists, as well as "traitors" (which he would definitely view Tucker as one). Even despite the fact that Tucker was
Tucker's father ran the Voice of America for 5 years.
The Voice of America is a CIA propaganda outlet. This means Tucker's father was CIA and that Tucker almost certainly is too.
Mark Galeotti said that the interview was interesting for all the same reasons it was extremely boring, meaning that what Putin was saying was boring and dumb, but it was great insight into who he is as a person.
The snipe about Tucker not making it into the CIA is the greatest example imo. Putin clearly has a disdain for journalists, as well as "traitors" (which he would definitely view Tucker as one). Even despite the fact that Tucker was
it could just be a standard snipe. but I took it to mean that he knows that Tucker is actually CIA, which is famous for "rejecting" people who actually work for them.
Tucker's father ran the Voice of America for 5 years.
The Voice of America is a CIA propaganda outlet. This means Tucker's father was CIA and that Tucker almost certainly is too.
There are a LOT of great people in the CIA. Some of them are former navy seals and other career special forces soldiers who literally fought for their country's freedom and safety who got recruited into whatever program they got recruited into. That doesn't make them a bad person just for working for the CIA. I personally know some of them and they're totally disgusted with how corrupt the agency really is. A lot of people might not believe or agree with this but I know this for a fact. Tucker is not CIA. If he was, he wouldn't be exposing them for what they really are.
There are a LOT of great people in the CIA. Some of them are former navy seals and other career special forces soldiers who literally fought for their country's freedom and safety who got recruited into whatever program they got recruited into. That doesn't make them a bad person just for working for the CIA. I personally know some of them and they're totally disgusted with how corrupt the agency really is. A lot of people might not believ
Controlled opposition isn't really too crazy of a concept.
MAGA is not the least bit controlled...
I'd put chances of Tucker being CIA near 0.
Do you think Trump is a CIA asset as well?
Can someone explain the conspiracy as it pertains to Russia? CIA wants aid to go to Ukraine so they can continue their proxy way against Russia, so they send Tucker to sow discord inside the USA and cause part of the population to think Russia is actually controlled by a saint?
You are changing the subject. No one said there is a conspiracy with regards to Tucker and Russia. They just said that Tucker is likely compromised in some fashion by the CIA if not an outright agent.
Many reporters are and it's been confirmed likely bc, as luckbox says, they don't get a platform without playing ball. But Tucker's links go way deeper.
If Tucker is compromised by the CIA or an outright agent, then why is he in Russia, working against the CIA?
Seems extremely on subject.
CIA wants aid to go to Ukraine so they can continue their proxy way against Russia, so they send Tucker to sow discord inside the USA and cause part of the population to think Russia is actually controlled by a saint?
Putin, the 4d chess grandmaster who is entering year 3 of the 3 day military operation, realized that Tucker was actually CIA though so he didn't fall for the trap and instead of endearing himself to a significant portion of the USA population, and instead decided to bore them to death with revanchist history.
Can someone explain the conspiracy as it pertains to Russia? CIA wants aid to go to Ukraine so they can continue their proxy way against Russia, so they send Tucker to sow discord inside the USA and cause part of the population to think Russia is actually controlled by a saint?
They just tried to send another 95 billion dollars to Ukraine, and they were using the border as a bargaining chip. That's about as much as we've already sent them to date. If people aren't awake yet as to what is going on there's no use in trying to convince them that what's actually happening is nothing close to their narrative that's on the news which they want everyone to believe.
Russia is a front for the alliance just like biden is a front for the satanic global deep state criminal cabal (for the lack of a worse word for them).
The "war" in Ukraine will escalate to a major world war (not that we're not already in one) which will probably end with nuclear weapons being used. Although the DS's heads are chopped off, they're still alive and will resort to anything necessary (including but not limited to destroying the planet for both side if they can't get their way, but that won't happen so don't worry).
Russia is the only major country that hasn't been infiltrated by this global cult. Putin, Bolsonoro, Trump, Musk, Jong Un, a lot of the central african counties as well as south american countries are part of a world alliance (with most of their milataries) are in a global alliance against this cult and will win in the end. This joke of an administration won't last.
"They" didn't try to send 95 billion to Ukraine. "They" (different from the previous "they") used aid as a bargaining chip until "they" realized that giving Biden any win whatsoever would make getting Trump elected more difficult so "they" decided to make things in USA as bad as possible until the election.
Russia is not a front for any alliance against a deep state cabal. As Putin said, he believes he is owed Ukraine due to his old newspaper clippings, so he went on an imperial conquest.
The "war" in Ukraine is an actual war and does not need any quotes. In fact it's the largest war since WW2, and was launched by Putin. Trying to contain the war and prevent Russia from getting a win prevents the war from escalating. If authoritarian leaders see that invasions are a legitimate form of diplomacy which no one will defend again, then more authoritarian dictators like Putin will invade. More counties will get nukes to defend against such invasions.
If your "alliance" is Russia, Brazil, and North Korea, then why don't you go live in any of those countries? Do you think the quality of life in those countries is better than USA?
If your "alliance" is Russia, Brazil, and North Korea, then why don't you go live in any of those countries? Do you think the quality of life in those countries is better than USA?
They're being driven out of here otherwise I would of followed your suggestion. Who would wanna live in a communist country? Do you realize that's where "we're" heading? Don't be like the frog that gets slowly boiled in a simmering pot. The CIA has long controlled Ukraine.
