The costs of trans visibility
Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....
For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and
. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.
What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.
We need to do better.
if you are asking if i'd rather my sister/daughter whatever experience sharing the locker room with a trans person minding their own business doing normal dressing room activities, or i'd prefer them to share a dressing room while they are naked and a dirty perverted old guy like trump is ogling them and sexually harassing them, i'm choosing the first one every time and im 99% any non transphobe would even agree.
but AGAIN it's transphobic t
No, that's not what I asked.
How about I'll make it simpler for you with two yes or no questions.
Do you think the average 18yo girl would be made uncomfortable by Lia Thomas walking around the changing room with her schlong hanging out?
Do you think that any 18yo girl who was uncomfortable with that is necessarily a bigot?
No, that's not what I asked.
How about I'll make it simpler for you with two yes or no questions.
Do you think the average 18yo girl would be made uncomfortable by Lia Thomas walking around the changing room with her schlong hanging out?
Do you think that any 18yo girl who was uncomfortable with that is necessarily a bigot?
I’m not an 18yr old girl and I assume neither are you so neither of us know.
No. I’ve never said that. I’m uncomfortable with naked old men in the locker rooms but I don’t get to ban old men from locker rooms simply because it’s out of my individual comfort zone.
Thats also not at all what you were talking about with that trump comment. But nice try at retconning it.
You were attempting to compare a trans persons mere existence as similar to a situation with a sexual predator. Thats the kind of bullshit equivalence that gets “groomer” type discourse started.
you're such a delusional zealot that when asked if you'd be ok if your daughter was in a locker room with lia's penis you just say that it's better than trump
I’m not an 18yr old girl and I assume neither are you so neither of us know.
No. I’ve never said that. I’m uncomfortable with naked old men in the locker rooms but I don’t get to ban old men from locker rooms simply because it’s out of my individual comfort zone.
Thats also not at all what you were talking about with that trump comment. But nice try at retconning it.
You were attempting to compare a trans persons mere existence as similar
No, I'm not an 18yo girl, but I can be empathetic and make a guess, how about you?
And how about the second question I asked? Afraid to answer that one?
Don't know what you think I wasn't talking about before. Everything I have been talking about is the comfort of the other swimmers, which I guess you don't care about at all.
When the Army started to allow women into units that had previously been closed to them, at first there might be just one or two women in a unit. So one of the issues when in the field ws how to keepthem together with their squad or platoon while addressing the issue of privacy.
Different units handled it differently. But in many cases it just came down to the level of respect the male members treated the females. For example, typically in a field location you may have a latrine built which is often just a few holes in the ground with some wooden ses surrounded by a some hanging blankets or poncho liners. Normally you might have a "three hole shitter" where people sit next to eac other.
Now, units that respected their fellow team members worked out ways to accomodate privacy without the ability to have separate facilities. A fellow male soldier may simply stand in the vicinity with his back turned to let people know not to go in for a couple of minutes. R when living in a shared unit tent, it could be just being willing to turn their backs for the minute it takes for a female to change clothes.
Contrast that with other units where soldiers were *******s, trying to "sneak peaks" when a female was changing. It all depends on the command climate.
On sports teams, you generally all go to the home or visiting team locker room tgether. I have no idea if lia thomas was "walking all over the place with her sclong hanging out". That would seem like an unusual thing for a teammate in that situation to do. If she knew it made others uncomfortable, there are clearly ways to minimize that problem.
The whole issue of whether a trans woman who went through puberty as a male has a competitive advantage, before or after certain hormone treatments is a fair one to debate. But i think the locker room nakedness issue is mucm more easily dealt with if everyone just showed some personal respect to each other.
How do you have no idea if Lia was walking around with it all hanging out? That's half of what the whole controversy was about, and it was all over the news.
https://katv.com/news/nation-world/lia-t...
I also don't know why you think it would be unusual for someone to be walking around the locker room naked.
The first teammate who came forward to complain about it said:
"We did not give our consent, they did not ask for our consent, but in that locker room, we turn around and there's a 6'4" biological man dropping his pants and watching us undress, and we're exposed to male genitalia"
How do you have no idea if Lia was walking around with it all hanging out? That's half of what the whole controversy was about, and it was all over the news.
https://katv.com/news/nation-world/lia-t...
I also don't know why you think it would be unusual for someone to be walking around the locker room naked.
The first teammate who came forward to complain about it sai
AllI recall seeing were articles about whether there was an unfair advantage or not. I dont follow foxnews and anti transgender activists like the woman quoted who goes around the country talking about this issue. But even that article you quote doesnt say anything about parading around the locker room. She said she saw her undressing. Its laughable to say that was more traumatic than competing against her.
AllI recall seeing were articles about whether there was an unfair advantage or not. I dont follow foxnews and anti transgender activists like the woman quoted who goes around the country talking about this issue. But even that article you quote doesnt say anything about parading around the locker room. She said she saw her undressing. Its laughable to say that was more traumatic than competing against her.
The woman quoted was a fellow swimmer who was in the locker room when this happened, not an "anti transgender activist". The quote also specifically says that Lia was watching the girls change clothes. But I suppose you're a better judge of what was traumatic to her than she herself, huh?
I don't follow Fox News either, I mean it was discussed here in this forum at the time these articles came out.
When the Army started to allow women into units that had previously been closed to them, at first there might be just one or two women in a unit. So one of the issues when in the field ws how to keepthem together with their squad or platoon while addressing the issue of privacy.
Different units handled it differently. But in many cases it just came down to the level of respect the male members treated the females. For example, typically in
Wouldn't it be nice, huh? That's not always how things work out in the real world though.
AllI recall seeing were articles about whether there was an unfair advantage or not. I dont follow foxnews and anti transgender activists like the woman quoted who goes around the country talking about this issue. But even that article you quote doesnt say anything about parading around the locker room. She said she saw her undressing. Its laughable to say that was more traumatic than competing against her.
Are you saying the biological women shouldn't feel uncomfortable at a transgender woman with male genitalia watching them undress?
Why are there separate locker room facilities for men/boys and women/girls?
you're such a delusional zealot that when asked if you'd be ok if your daughter was in a locker room with lia's penis you just say that it's better than trump
yes. again it is crazy bigoted to try and not only compare a regular trans person minding their own business to an actual rapist, but argue that the rapist is somehow better.
Trump is likely going to have secret service around so even if you think he is a rapist it's still going to be safer with him.
yes. again it is crazy bigoted to try and not only compare a regular trans person minding their own business to an actual rapist, but argue that the rapist is somehow better.
That might be crazy, but it's just speculation since no one did that.
I asked you if you think young women would have to be bigoted to be uncomfortable with Lia Thomas watching them undress with 'her' schlong hanging out.
I guess it was crazy for me to even consider that you might answer the question.
AllI recall seeing were articles about whether there was an unfair advantage or not. I dont follow foxnews and anti transgender activists like the woman quoted who goes around the country talking about this issue. But even that article you quote doesnt say anything about parading around the locker room. She said she saw her undressing. Its laughable to say that was more traumatic than competing against her.
One girl who conplained or who they complained for had been sexually assaulted, traumatized, they still said f it. Penis it is... thats similar to the nonsense they brought us with corona rules btw. Everything common sense and science gets thrown overboard by these dictators. Where have we arrived when its ok to torture rape victims with the opposite Sex organs in their "safety zones" ? They could probably sue the school now for whatever. Slower times or worse grades. Its incredible.
Yeah, confront a rape victim with a penis and watch what happens...
Everybody knows what happens.
Totally ridiculous argument here. I believe they can't compete without using the changing rooms,even if it's not specifically mentioned in their scholarships.
I bet it also doesn't say in the scholarship documents that they're not allowed to stand there screaming profanities when the whistle blows, instead of jumping in the pool and swimming. But I'm pretty sure doing that would cost their scholarship, don't you?
Here is the thing; you don't have to base your entire world view on what you believe. There are facts out there you can obtain.
There is no rule you have to use locker rooms. You can change in your car, a different bathroom, the bathroom in the locker room, at home, hell you could change in an empty hallway if you really wanted to. You just sound ridiculous making **** up to call rational arguments ridiculous.
We don't even have to make assumption on the locker room discussion. I wrestled in college on a scholariship. I can absolutely assure you without a shred of doubt that there was no requirement to use the open changing room. It wasn't in my scholarship, it wasn't a clause in the wrestling handbook, there was no coach that (questionably) forced us to change there, it wasn't a rule at the college, it wasn't a rule from NCAA.
Its literally just completely made up to frame a repressive stance
Much like many of the arguments laid out in this thread
In the UK there are 11k pro athletes, alright?
1k are women. Whats the ratio? 10k men and 1 women? What does this mean? That means there is not enough money in womens sports already, but if you allow trans in women sports you kill womens sports at all. All top heavy prices will all go to biological men.
Congrats! You effectively just killed womens sports.
Here is the thing; you don't have to base your entire world view on what you believe. There are facts out there you can obtain.
There is no rule you have to use locker rooms. You can change in your car, a different bathroom, the bathroom in the locker room, at home, hell you could change in an empty hallway if you really wanted to. You just sound ridiculous making **** up to call rational arguments ridiculous.
So, where did you obtain these facts? Have you seen something confirming that these swimmers could have changed anywhere they wanted? Please cite, or else you're just basing it on speculation as well.
Of course, even if they could have done that, Lia was in the locker room watching them change with schlong out, without warning, so they wouldn't have known to try changing somewhere else.
Here is the thing; you don't have to base your entire world view on what you believe. There are facts out there you can obtain.
There is no rule you have to use locker rooms. You can change in your car, a different bathroom, the bathroom in the locker room, at home, hell you could change in an empty hallway if you really wanted to. You just sound ridiculous making **** up to call rational arguments ridiculous.
If Lia wasnt such a psycho and had one inch of decency in her, she would do that and change before. But she doesnt do that. Instead she crushes womens records left and right while exposing her hanging out buttcheeks LIVE to the world to see on TV. While shitting on rape victims and the whole sport.
If Lia wasnt such a psycho and had one inch of decency in her, she would do that and change before. But she doesnt do that. Instead she crushes womens records left and right while exposing her hanging out butt LIVE to the world on TV. While shitting on rape victims and the whole sport.
Women's collegiate swimming was nothing before Lia Thomas. No one cared. She put the sport on the map. Now those women are raking in millions in NIL deals. They should be thanking her.
You guys think about dicks entirely too much
