Israel/Palestine thread
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The money goes towards bribing/pressuring US politicians
“Levin was ousted from his House seat in 2022, after the American Israel Public Affairs Committee spent $4 million against him. Levin was one of a handful of Democrats targeted by AIPAC last cycle, when the group went after a range of progressive candidates in mostly open House primaries over their criticism of Israel.”
You understand that AIPAC is an AMERICAN Jewish group. Unless you haven't noticed, American Jews have a lot of money on their own they are more than willing to spend on lobbying. I am pretty confident Israel isn't giving money they received for defense back to AIPAC to spend on lobbying. I am pretty sure Israel doesn't actually see very much money at all. The money goes to American contractors that make weapons that get delivered to Israel.
If you have proof I am incorrect in this, go ahead and show it.
Also, unless you missed it Israel just announced it was beginning a relationship with Ukraine on defense matters. That is how US diplomacy works. We give a lot, but it isn't ever a one way street. Normally there is some reciprocation that benefits US interests.
It really does look like a new Cold War is forming; with Russia, Iran and its proxies, and North Korea on one side, the developed free world on the other, and other players like India and China playing both sides for their own benefit.
Money, weapons, same same
This is pretty ironic coming from you, given how often you like to conflate Israelis with Nazis, for similar reasons.
More generally, this type of rhetoric is very much a 2 way street. There is no shortage of anti-Jewish public figures that have made the same conflation. I agree we would all be much better off with less conflation with Naziism from everyone, but I dont for a second think you believe this given your own forays into this rhetorical territory.
It really does look like a new Cold War is forming; with Russia, Iran and its proxies, and North Korea on one side, the developed free world on the other, and other players like India and China playing both sides for their own benefit.
three piss nations with virtually nothing in common except hatred of the US, with a combined economy half the size of california?
i have a time machine. west wins; victor aghast
Multiple reports of Egyptian aid trucks being mobbed and robbed, including one driver dead. This cant be great motivation for Egypt to get more involved on the humanitarian end.
three piss nations with virtually nothing in common except hatred of the US, with a combined economy half the size of california?
i have a time machine. west wins; victor aghast
American isolationist rhetoric is becoming more and more prevalent, from the left and the right. As we are a democracy, at some level if there is enough populist support for a movement, it is going to happen, no matter how bad it will probably work out.
It is a very real possibility we eventually just give Russia-Iran the W by deciding it isn't worth the effort. Despite our military presence in the Middle East, we actually do extremely little to attempt to deter Iranian mischief. It is big news when we directly attack Iran or its proxies in Syria, Iraq, etc. because it is so infrequent we do anything.
This is pretty ironic coming from you, given how often you like to conflate Israelis with Nazis, for similar reasons.
More generally, this type of rhetoric is very much a 2 way street. There is no shortage of anti-Jewish public figures that have made the same conflation. I agree we would all be much better off with less conflation with Naziism from everyone, but I dont for a second think you believe this given your own forays into this r
I think you misunderstood his point. And the points from all of the Jewish thinkers that he quoted.
maybe you missed this. but you are doing the thing that horrified Jews that survived the Holocaust said that Israel would be doing in the future.
Multiple reports of Egyptian aid trucks being mobbed and robbed, including one driver dead. This cant be great motivation for Egypt to get more involved on the humanitarian end.
I wonder if any of the starving concentration camp victims in the 40s murdered for food.
IN THE WAGON where the bread had landed, a battle had ensued.
Men were hurling themselves against each other, trampling, tearing at and mauling each other. Beasts of prey unleashed, animal
hate in their eyes. An extraordinary vitality possessed them,
sharpening their teeth and nails.
A crowd of workmen and curious passersby had formed all
along the train. They had undoubtedly never seen a train with
this kind of cargo. Soon, pieces of bread were falling into the wagons from all sides. And the spectators observed these emaciated
creatures ready to kill for a crust of bread.
A piece fell into our wagon. I decided not to move. Anyway,
I knew that I would not be strong enough to fight off dozens of
violent men! I saw, not far from me, an old man dragging himself
on all fours. He had just detached himself from the struggling
mob. He was holding one hand to his heart. At first I thought he
had received a blow to his chest. Then I understood: he was hiding a piece of bread under his shirt. With lightning speed he
pulled it out and put it to his mouth. His eyes lit up, a smile, like a
grimace, illuminated his ashen face. And was immediately extinguished. A shadow had lain down beside him. And this shadow
threw itself over him. Stunned by the blows, the old man was
crying:
"Meir, my little Meir! Don't you recognize m e … Y o u ' r e killing
your father… I have bread…for you too … for you too… "
He collapsed. But his fist was still clutching a small crust. He
wanted to raise it to his mouth. But the other threw himself on
him. The old man mumbled something, groaned, and died. Nobody cared. His son searched him, took the crust of bread, and
began to devour it. He didn't get far. Two men had been watching him. They jumped him. Others joined in. When they withdrew,
there were two dead bodies next to me, the father and the son
The point is Egypt is already not particularly inclined to get involved in aid effort, and such outcomes are not going to help.
Of course bad things happen in wars. Hopefully moving forward the Palestinians realize this and decide that committing many more 10/7's isn't such a good idea after all. Or more importantly, they realize that being led by Iranian proxy groups that put IRG interests first, and only regard them as bullet fodder, is definitely not a good idea.
Egypt sucks and does everything Israel asks.
bad things are happening bc Israel is deliberately starving the population. that is not Hamas's fault. just as the holocaust and WW2 were not the European Jew's fault.
anyway, I kinda want to see where your info on this is coming from.
maybe you missed this. but you are doing the thing that horrified Jews that survived the Holocaust said that Israel would be doing in the future.
I didn’t miss it as much as I ignore much of the garbage you post.
Everyone here sees you for what you are, even the ones critical of Israel.
Egypt sucks and does everything Israel asks.
bad things are happening bc Israel is deliberately starving the population. that is not Hamas's fault. just as the holocaust and WW2 were not the European Jew's fault.
anyway, I kinda want to see where your info on this is coming from.
Legit question…do you need to lie in order to exist?
Egypt sucks and does everything Israel asks.
bad things are happening bc Israel is deliberately starving the population. that is not Hamas's fault. just as the holocaust and WW2 were not the European Jew's fault.
anyway, I kinda want to see where your info on this is coming from.
Vic if you could save a Hamas fighter or Israeli baby, who would you choose? And don't say "both" as you can only choose one because reasons.
Yes, I ignore fringe idiots.
uh wtf
You understand that AIPAC is an AMERICAN Jewish group. Unless you haven't noticed, American Jews have a lot of money on their own they are more than willing to spend on lobbying. I am pretty confident Israel isn't giving money they received for defense back to AIPAC to spend on lobbying. I am pretty sure Israel doesn't actually see very much money at all. The money goes to American contractors that make weapons that get delivered to Isr
As I've said
People like pointless and Victor claim not to be antisemites but put american jews in the same class as Israelis .. both are evil
Aipac is fully funded by Americans. Period
