Israel/Palestine thread
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25 you save the fighter. 40 you save the baby. In between you'll need an ethicist to figure out.
Ah but the 25 year old Hamas terrorist has had a longer life than the innocent little baby. Why should the cute and not fugly or ginger baby not get a chance to live at least another 25 years?
Ah but the 25 year old Hamas terrorist has had a longer life than the innocent little baby. Why should the cute and not fugly or ginger baby not get a chance to live at least another 25 years?
The Hamas fighter is in the prime of his life whereas the baby might not even have self-awareness yet. Once the Hamas fighter starts reaching middle age is when it's time to let the babies shine.
theres actually a lot more killed.
but the official report is at 30k because those are the ones the Health Ministry has been able to count the bodies for.
they havent counted all the people that died under the rubble or were buried where they died and werent taken to the hospital or who died of hunger or lack of medicine who the Israelis disappeared and murdered.
Official report from Gaza health ministry (controlled by Hamas) isn’t proof.
Show me actual proof.
I dont necessarily need names. I mean if any of the rape crisis centers in Israel said, yes we received reports and we are treating at least one patient then it would go a long way.
I was referring to the names of the dead people in Gaza.
Also mega lol, you’d call them propaganda liars like you do with everyone else.
Official report from Gaza health ministry (controlled by Hamas) isn’t proof.
Show me actual proof.
I dunno, seems that Israel and the USA takes the Gazan reports as truthful.
https://www.mekomit.co.il/%d7%94%d7%a6%d...
UN agrees too
so as to the rapes, when Israel allows for an independent investigation and it concludes some of this stuff was true, then ofc I will accept it. but well, Israel denied any outside investigations.
For you lucky it would be a female Hamas fighter in a sexy uniform of which a very short skirt is a part of, to make it more difficult for you. For vic it's a slavering bloodthirsty fat ginger Hamas fighter or an adorable baby, with a cute ribbon and cuddled up to an equally adorable puppy albeit an Israeli puppy.
As Victor pointed out, the author of the cartoon identifies as Jewish. So it is fair to say anti-semitism is probably not the prime motivating factor of the cartoon. Whether that is Victor's prime motive is another question.
As I have noted before, there is no indication Victor even really recognizes Jewish identity enough to be prejudiced against it. He kind of just assigns Israeli in as an avatar of "Western liberalism," and critiques it along these lines.
I think you are all on the wrong level. He just thinks liberalism is bad, and as it is in conflict with liberalism, Islamism is defacto good. You dont really have to go any deeper than this.
The Hamas fighter is in the prime of his life whereas the baby might not even have self-awareness yet. Once the Hamas fighter starts reaching middle age is when it's time to let the babies shine.
But wasting the prime of his life by being a member of a scummy death cult whereas the baby has the potential to I dunno invent a vaccine or something. IF the baby is saved that is.
You got him. It's all over for Gaza now that their last line of propaganda on 2p2 has been defeated. Congrats. Let's lock up the thread.
No but the thread is over.
This thread is 90% just dealing with Vic on the subject.
With this checkmate I honestly don't see why I still need to. "Think of the children" is over. It's not real.
I was referring to the names of the dead people in Gaza.
Also mega lol, you’d call them propaganda liars like you do with everyone else.
well at this point I dont need to call them propaganda liars bc they denied that they had knowledge of any rapes occurring.
but if the did, well then it would depend on who was saying what. I mean, Im not gonna believe this women or those she affiliates with.
If Victor is correct and the number actually is 30k, would that change anything for you or what is the point exactly behind demanding proof from him?
My point is Victor picks and chooses what to believe, who has to abide by a standard of proof and who doesn’t, etc.
Oh, and it’s obvious why.
So? It's still used by anti Semites like you the way the likes of Chomsky and Finkelstein is used by some pro Palestinian anti Semites and Jewish Holocaust denier David Cole was used by neo Nazi anti Semites. I'm sure you're familiar with the term useful idiots, from your other heroes the Soviets. This isn't the gotcha you think it is.
The Hamas fighter is in the prime of his life whereas the baby might not even have self-awareness yet. Once the Hamas fighter starts reaching middle age is when it's time to let the babies shine.
You also have to take into account being a part of an extremely conservative, patriarchal society the Hamas fighter is likely to have multiple offspring, possibly with numerous wives, if he reaches high enough status in his society.
The Israeli baby, in the other hand, being a member of a slower reproducing more egalitarian industrial society (assuming not part of the ultra orthodox minority) is statistically likely to have much lower potential reproductive fitness.
No but the thread is over.
This thread is 90% just dealing with Vic on the subject.
With this checkmate I honestly don't see why I still need to. "Think of the children" is over. It's not real.
I mean I even said I would take an Israeli baby over a Gazan baby right now. probably take one over a couple thousand, esp if they are from the North. all of those Gazan newborns and toddlers are consigned to death in the next few months.
Funny none of y’all answered the question
Is it ok to kill innocent civilians
Anyway before you ask Victor If he would choose the Hamas or child, would someone choose a child or an adult to save?
At least establish a baseline
I never mentioned Gazan babies, stop going off on other tangents. Would you save the Hamas fighter or baby?
Oh and do you think Hamas should unconditionally release the civilian hostages they kidnapped and are holding against their will?
My point is Victor picks and chooses what to believe, who has to abide by a standard of proof and who doesn’t, etc.
Oh, and it’s obvious why.
everybody does this.
I just happen to believe verifiable and researched and crosschecked information from trusted sources.
you believe sick stories from Yossi Landau.
It feels weird finally winning. I have something Bibi won't ever have. Weird realization.
I never mentioned Gazan babies, stop going off on other tangents. Would you save the Hamas fighter or baby?
Oh and do you think Hamas should unconditionally release the civilian hostages they kidnapped and are holding against their will?
asked an answered
as for your second part, as I have said many times, I am not going to tell the Gazans how to resist and I am not going to disparage the resistance.
do you think Israel should unconditionally release of the civilians they have kidnapped? do you think Israel should stop bombing civilians? stop starving the population? stop shooting starving people chasing food?
