Israel/Palestine thread

Israel/Palestine thread

Think this merits its own thread...

Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..

AM YISRAEL CHAI.


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07 October 2023 at 09:33 PM
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by Dunyain P

It is not Israel begging for a ceasefire, it is Hamas and Hamas supporters such as yourself.

They (and you) cant have it both ways. You cant say you have carte blanche to continue fighting indefinitely, but demand the other side withdraw. If Hamas wants to keep fighting that is their prerogative. But its not Israel's responsibility to let Hamas win, or even survive.

I don’t support Hamas

Back on ignore you go for making things up and or lying


by Dunyain P

It is not Israel begging for a ceasefire, it is Hamas and Hamas supporters such as yourself.

They (and you) cant have it both ways. You cant say you have carte blanche to continue fighting indefinitely, but demand the other side withdraw. If Hamas wants to keep fighting that is their prerogative. But its not Israel's responsibility to let Hamas win, or even survive.

It's just hilarious

Of course they can fight back

Or release the hostages

They choose choice a but should choose choice b


by Luckbox Inc P

We're going to need to see the original quotes in Arabic and with a certified translation

Feel free to research on your own


by Luckbox Inc P

We're going to need to see the original quotes in Arabic and with a certified translation

Enjoy this for now

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/10...


Israel has a right to defend itself from *checks notes* Arabs having children.


by Luckbox Inc P

We're going to need to see the original quotes in Arabic and with a certified translation

my translation reads that Arafat said he "could care less" about Israel.


by Victor P

I post more sources than anyone else in this thread. this is a rediculous claim on your part.

but since I have been trained well by my capitalist education system to obsequiously comply.

its actually a lot of work to find the best sources and cites and then they always get dismissed anyway.



proly Hamas shooting at them

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wir...


same article


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I didn't make any claim. All I did was ask that you provide a source for when you say something happens. For example, you said "another massacre today" so I would just like a link(s) to where you got that from. You're the one constantly making claims and it's actually difficult to follow along when you aren't substantiating some of them. Some of your sources seem legit, others seem like pure bs. I'd like to read and decide for myself

The same goes for everyone else in the thread. They should be linking when they say X, Y, or Z happened, or if they think something is not true, etc etc

Otherwise, the quality of thread/posts goes down. It's gotten pretty bad in here, but the subject makes it understandable


by TeflonDawg P

I didn't make any claim. All I did was ask that you provide a source for when you say something happens. For example, you said "another massacre today" so I would just like a link(s) to where you got that from. You're the one constantly making claims and it's actually difficult to follow along when you aren't substantiating some of them. Some of your sources seem legit, others seem like pure bs. I'd like to read and decide for myself

The sam

again, I post more links and sources than anyone else in this thread. read any post from mets or Dunyain. and yet, you call me out?

you think my sources are BS? ok then why should I cater to you?

you wont even do the courtesy of saying which ones you think are BS. just blanket ya some are BS. wont say which ones.


by Victor P

again, I post more links and sources than anyone else in this thread. read any post from mets or Dunyain. and yet, you call me out?

you think my sources are BS? ok then why should I cater to you?

you wont even do the courtesy of saying which ones you think are BS. just blanket ya some are BS. wont say which ones.

In fairness to him, MOST OF US think your sources are BS.

See, mass grave story.


by rafiki P

In fairness to him, MOST OF US think your sources are BS.

See, mass grave story.

if god and moses came down and told you Israel was doing wrong then you still wouldnt believe it so I dun curr what people who support genocide think.


I think you mean Abraham

Islam and Judaism are both Abrahamic religions, they technically worship the same god


you mean Jesus?


by Victor P

if god and moses came down and told you Israel was doing wrong then you still wouldnt believe it so I dun curr what people who support genocide think.

I don't need God and Moses. But maybe a credible news source here or there? Not the editorial process of X.


by metsandfinsfan P

I think a lot of hostages are dead, and the ones that aren't were raped and abused so that is why hamas won't give a list

I hope that isn't true that they won't find back any hostages.

Nobody in their right mind could expect a ceasefire without getting hostages back. Well maybe victor but Nobody else

lol @ victor being in his “right mind.”


by PointlessWords P

So you understand and approve of Hamas continuing to fight until the 1000 hostages Israel has are released

No matter how many times you swap “hostages” and prisoners, it’ll never be true.


by Victor P

again, I post more links and sources than anyone else in this thread. read any post from mets or Dunyain. and yet, you call me out?

you think my sources are BS? ok then why should I cater to you?

you wont even do the courtesy of saying which ones you think are BS. just blanket ya some are BS. wont say which ones.

I have Dunyain on ignore...

I'm not asking you to "cater to me" I asked you to just cite when you claim. That's it. It's better for the thread

I opened that up to everyone else itt too. I get that you feel like you're arguing with everyone, but I am not arguing with you. You obv are free to do whatever you want, just note that when sources aren't given and turn out to be not reputable or trustworthy, the quality of discussion goes down

I can go back in the thread and point out a few of your posts that "are bs" when I have time if you really want that. The only reason I said it to you is because I've literally found that some of the things you've posted have actually turned out to be untrue. Or at least misleading, hence why I ask for cites in the first place


"Earlier in Beirut, Hamas official Osama Hamdan repeated his group's main demands: an end to the Israeli military offensive, withdrawal of Israeli forces, and the return of all Gazans to the homes they had been forced to flee."

Yeah that's not happening until all the hostages are returned. All. So i guess no cease-fire


What have you found to be untrue?



by TeflonDawg P

I have Dunyain on ignore...

I'm not asking you to "cater to me" I asked you to just cite when you claim. That's it. It's better for the thread

I opened that up to everyone else itt too. I get that you feel like you're arguing with everyone, but I am not arguing with you. You obv are free to do whatever you want, just note that when sources aren't given and turn out to be not reputable or trustworthy, the quality of discussion goes down

I can g

What have you found to be untrue?

See you demand something from me, and then make a critique without specifying anything. I expect that from many in this thread. But I thought you were better.


Why it's always best to be vague. Don't say "30,000 people were killed". Say it was "a lot of people". Then if it turns out it was only 7 you can be like "7 is a lot of people".


by metsandfinsfan P

"Earlier in Beirut, Hamas official Osama Hamdan repeated his group's main demands: an end to the Israeli military offensive, withdrawal of Israeli forces, and the return of all Gazans to the homes they had been forced to flee."

Yeah that's not happening until all the hostages are returned. All. So i guess no cease-fire

Or they’re all dead from Israeli bombing. Ya know, Either/or


Bassem Eid eh?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/...



Seriously how disgusting does a speech need to be to actually get a pro-Israeli group banned from campus?


by Victor P

Bassem Eid eh?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/...



Seriously how disgusting does a speech need to be to actually get a pro-Israeli group banned from campus?

My understanding is that campuses are generally pretty anti-Israel so probably not as disgusting as you might think.


by Luckbox Inc P

My understanding is that campuses are generally pretty anti-Israel so probably not as disgusting as you might think.

lol this.

How dense are you?


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