ex-President Trump
I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?
So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at low-info Boomers like my religions aunts. I have two questions:
a) Is anyone here who supports Trump bothered by lies like this?
b) Does anyone know what he's even talking about here? Like is there some grain of truth that he's embellishing on bigly?
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department are what we call ministries in europe
Well he doesn't control the police, that's for sure.
Jeebuz. If the politicians took over the fed we would be so screwed.
We all know Meghan wields all the power over there
Right. We have no ministry of police here.
Ok so your claim is that it would be anti-democratic in the USA to shift the balance of political leaning among federal employees in washington to more closely represent the actual preferences of the population, because the USA median voter is too rightwing.
You keep calling having rightwing preferences anti-democratic, do you realize that?
If we transferred all of the bureaucratic responsibilities over to this current crop of republicans they would absolutely destroy this country in record time.
you do lol, it's just separated from prosecution.
Minister of State (Minister for Crime, Policing and Fire)
https://www.gov.uk/government/ministers/...
What you don't have is prosecution being an executive power. It stands with the CPS which is actually independent
they literally ask for the opposite, for rigid mechanical rules that can't be tuned because of political pressure
thinking they would do a terrible job isn't the same as claiming it would anti-democratic to have more right leaning federal employees
There is a distinction in the United States between executive agencies and independent federal agencies. Many of the agencies that you probably imagine are executive agencies -- e.g., CIA, ITC, SEC, CFTC, FDIC, FRB, FTC, NLRB, FEC, USPS--are, in fact, independent federal agencies.
Actually, I was asking how replacing a bunch of normal people with the same number or more of conservative zealots is "reducing the size of government".
The DOJ is an executive agency, but it historically has operated more like an independent agency.
OK, well that's the one that counts. You get arrested, you might spend a couple of days in a cell. You get charged and tried, you night spend the rest of your life in a cell.
i am not confusing that check what i wrote about specific departments and when i used the words executive power and so on.
Anwyay independent agencies as well should hire more rightwing people
Ok but that's not project 2025, prosecution being an executive power is the current situation.
As Rococo said in the post above, currently it is in name only.
Counterpoint: no, they really shouldn't.
I listed the intended reductions of government power, there are many others.
But DoE abolition and EPA reduction within the narrow text of delegated powers, same for FCC and so on, are reductions of the size of gvmnt
Luciom,
You are getting way too hung up on the word fascism, which you equate with expansive government. Regardless of whether you view gutting the State Department, EPA, etc., as anti-fascist, there is little question in my mind that Trump is personally authoritarian.
lol really, even after i linked you scotus case about FBI enacting biden censorship on social networks?
I'll need to read the case more carefully when I have time, but I have hefty reservations that it's as egregious as you are making it out to be.
Neither does the US. Unless you are defining police in a way different than I am. Is there no national law enforcement agency?
an increase in the scope of government isn't always fascism, but it's a necessary not sufficient condition of fascism. Decreasing the role of government in society instead is always anti-fascist. The lss gvmnt does the less fascism is physically possible.
Trump isn't authoritarian at all in the sense of wanting to dismantle individual freedoms, of controlling people behaviour and so on. He doesn't give a **** about how you go about your life, what you eat, what you say and isn't willing to use widespread state violence to force behaviour upon you, at least, he is less than normal leftist politicians are.
Well, the DOJ controls FBI, DEA and ATF and the Attorney General is in charge of all federal prosecutions. Seems pretty police-y to me.