The costs of trans visibility
Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....
For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and
. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.
What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.
We need to do better.
To be deeply upset or offended over an innocent and natural mistake, and accuse the mistake maker of malice, is a sign of some kind of moral or mental health problem.
And I'm sure a decent % of those people who identify as men are mentally sound enough to be fine with abortion being framed as a women's issue.
Can you maybe stop trying to find ways to frame trans people as having mental problems?
First off, Twitter doesn't represent reality.
2nd off, a sample of 5 wouldn't represent reality even if Twitter was a place for things like facts or rational discussion
3rd off, most of those responses are mocking trans activism
4th off, that was from 3 years ago
A big old teed up swing and a miss imo
Here's an article by a trans person in The Advocate welcoming the influx of trans people without dysphoria, including people who declare themselves to be trans for political reasons.
https://www.advocate.com/commentary/2019...
Here is a similar article, saying "gender affirming care" should be applied to such people.
This is basically a jumbled mess of your hot takes. The articles you posted are literally opinion pieces (the autism science journal is pretty interesting). You've had a few isolated experiences that overwhelmingly shaped your outlook and now you have a bunch of surface level opinions from 2017 and think you've cracked the code.
People have moved on from the pronoun egg shells. That was overblown propaganda to make the general population hate trans people. I even fell for the trick 5+ years ago too.
Nothing on twitter has been real since Trump first got elected. Literal Russian bot farms designed to divide the US. That isn't even a conspiracy theory.
People have moved on from the pronoun egg shells. That was overblown propaganda to make the general population hate trans people. I even fell for the trick 5+ years ago too.
Nothing on twitter has been real since Trump first got elected. Literal Russian bot farms designed to divide the US. That isn't even a conspiracy theory.
Ye it's not like people are getting fined to this day if they call a trans woman a man, police is investigating misgendering claims and so on, in the UK.
I can't remember if you live in the USA or not, in the USA ye, the pronoun thing hasn't crossed the legal threshold (because of the 1st amendment). That doesn't mean it's "overblown propaganda", even the slightest threat of having the police called on you if you don't affirm a gender identity is something that deserves a full blown war against, do you agree? like it's unthinkable it is a thing in any western country at all.
It's unthinkable that teachers in med schools get problems if they say pregnant women instead of pregnant people do you agree? it's monstrous, beyond parody morally bankrupt right?
We are not making this stuff up coordi. It's really really really ****ed up out there
Sky News host Rita Panahi says a Harvard biology professor has been "attacked" for transphobia by her own colleagues after refusing to use the term "pregnant people" when referring to a pregnant woman.
Ms Panahi said Professor Carole Hooven was "absolutely attacked" by the head of the Diversity and Inclusion Task Force and said that "all medical students need to be taught to correctly gender their patients and not to be discriminatory".
Can you maybe stop trying to find ways to frame trans people as having mental problems?
Can you maybe stop trying to regard people with mental health problems as 'unclean' and taboo, which is obviously your attitude?
There is no reason why trans-identified people should be immune from the mental health problems that afflict the rest of us, and they clearly aren't. British and Finnish studies, among others, have shown that people with mental health problems are over-represented in the trans-identified cohort, and there is a particular issue with autistic young people, who are over-represented to a statistically implausible degree. (48% of the discredited Tavistock GIDS clinic's child clients were autistic, compared to no more than 1% of the general population.) Homosexuality, which is not a mental illness, is also implausibly over-represented. (At the Tavistock it was 90% of the girls and 80% of the boys, compared to 1.5% of the general population from 2021 census data.) This suggests strongly that clinicians with a 'woke' reactionary mentality, derived from the United States, are imposing and enforcing 'trans' identification on vulnerable young patients to 'normalise' them by replacing a taboo classification -- autistic, gay or even just depressed -- with a fashionable 'woke' one, that is 'trans'. Which is pretty appalling. Although we still await the publication of the final Cass Report on the Tavistock, which is not likely to be less than damning, we already know from the interim report, from previous court cases, and from journalistic accounts like Hannah Barnes's book Time To Think, that the Tavistock clinic went seriously wrong and clinicians were joking among themselves, 'There won't be any gay people left at the rate we're going,' which is seriously disturbing.
The British convicted murderer 'Scarlet Blake', alluded to above, not only believes she is a woman, but also believes she is a cat (despite the unfortunate incident where she put a neighbour's cat in a blender), and she meowed in court a number of times during her murder trial. 'Blake' is not legally insane, hence the murder conviction and the life sentence with a minimum tariff of 24 years, but is clearly mentally unusual. Mr Justice Chamberlain, in sentencing, suggested that Blake's 'cat' behaviour in court, and references to the difficulty of transition and Blake's online relationship with a 'trans woman influencer' called Ashlynn Bell, were intended to 'rationalise' and excuse a criminal homicidal impulse.
https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uplo...
Such behaviour may be no commoner in trans-identified persons than in the population at large, or not much, but clearly they're not immune, and to treat them as a sacred caste is an error, an error generally made by people with reactionary impulses (such as misogyny, homophobia and hostility to the mentally ill) who seek to use the trans flag for cover.
yeah, scarlet blake meowed in court like a cat to show how she communicates with her friends.
we dont make her a cat though, even though we could.
.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalking_C...
Crazy and bad people do crazy and bad things, but the issue in the UK is that the police, courts and media kept reporting Fangzhe Wang (aka 'Alice Wang' aka 'Scarlet Blake') as a woman, even though he is obviously and legally a man who committed the sort of crime even more rarely found in women than in men, and will duly serve his sentence in a men's prison, because when the rubber hits the road the misguidedly woke authorities don't dare p
I can confirm the early reports only reported her as a women, which is interesting. what I would like to know is if her trans friend, the biological girl from the US, gets any kind of punishment for her part in this.
The similaries to lia thomson are that in the end, they are still attracted to he opposite sex imo.
Pretty big difference between a Trans person with mental illness and saying someone is mentally ill because they are Trans
yea of course, you cant say that "all" and generalize, like rick did.
that would be wrong. what 57 said with the overrepresentation is however correct imo.
Im not circumventing anything, rather agreeing with 57.
His post was mostly trying to dunk on "reactionary" "wokes" while toeing the line of bigotry. He was very careful to not imply that Trans people are over represented with mental illness.
Its strange that the only lessons you guys seem to learn from these conversations is how to touch right up on the edge of what is "acceptable"
The claim was that it is a crazy conspiracy theory or a rw talking point to say that more people are identifying as trans, even without GD.
Those are 2 of many articles where people on the left, from within the community say that it is happening and that it is good. So it is not a conspiracy theory or rw talking point.
FWIW, I don't think the sky is necessarily falling if some young people want to mess around with this. Young people do such things. I did. As long as they don't take hormones or whatever. It also complicates things like locker rooms.
Can you maybe stop trying to find ways to frame trans people as having mental problems?
That's the opposite of what I said.
I said, if someone claims to be trans and then exhibits a bunch of behavioral/mental health problems I think it is LESS likely that they have GD.
Much like if someone says they are in The CIA, then shows similar signs, I would doubt they are CIA. That doesn't imply that people who really are in the CIA are crazy.
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FWIW, I don't think the sky is necessarily falling if some young people want to mess around with this. Young people do such things. I did. As long as they don't take hormones or whatever. It also complicates things like locker rooms.
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I instead think that anything happening which decreases fertility is a state security matter of the utmost importance, with very few things being more important than that in society.
Given we are already under reasonable fertility levels, anything that even at the margin could impact fertility negatively is a direct thereat to national survival and should be treated as such. If state violence has any sense or justification, it should be used against the people who , for whatever reason, want us to have fewer children.
And every time a biologically fertile man or woman is caught into their trap, we lose childbearing potential.
His post was mostly trying to dunk on "reactionary" "wokes" while toeing the line of bigotry. He was very careful to not imply that Trans people are over represented with mental illness.
Its strange that the only lessons you guys seem to learn from these conversations is how to touch right up on the edge of what is "acceptable"
Did you expect them to learn that a particular opinion about a major social and medical issue is wrong because moderators on a poker forum said so?
The claim was that it is a crazy conspiracy theory or a rw talking point to say that more people are identifying as trans, even without GD.
Those are 2 of many articles where people on the left, from within the community say that it is happening and that it is good. So it is not a conspiracy theory or rw talking point.
FWIW, I don't think the sky is necessarily falling if some young people want to mess around with this. Young people do suc
You are misunderstanding the distinction between Gender Dysmorphia and Social Contagion as a dog whistle for Rapid Onset GD
Did you expect them to learn that a particular opinion about a major social and medical issue is wrong because moderators on a poker forum said so?
Many of the more awful takes aren't opinions, its propaganda that flies in the face of reality.
And if we want to go there, to have your propaganda takes repeatedly proven to be straight wrong over and over, and keep pressing forwards undisturbed, is probably a distinct sign of mental illness.
I don't care about moderation. I'd rather call you guys ****ing ******s and move on with my life tbh
Yes, a poker subforum with about 25 regulars is a great place to spend time and effort spreading propaganda.
I said, if someone claims to be trans and then exhibits a bunch of behavioral/mental health problems I think it is LESS likely that they have GD.
Right, so either your talking about trans people with mental health problems that are not gender dysphoria or trans people with the specific mental health problem that is gender dysphoria.
As fun as it is to weaponize mental health challenges in trans people to attack them on the internet that just isn't going to be my jam.
How much that new Dall-E subscription run you back rockroll?
he said that some, not all, which is not remotely controversial, there are people with mental health illness in all facets of life
there are lawyers with mental health illness
doctors with mental health illness
engineers with mental health illness
those are all true statements and do not confer that being a doctor necessarily means you are mentally ill
Women also suffer with poor mental health at higher rates than men. This is not really remarkable or worthy of comment in a vacuum. So, when a forum poster repeatedly shouts about a certain group suffering from mental health issues at a higher rate than the population without providing context, gets a warning for doing so, then carries on I don't think they should be surprised at getting a ban.
There is no reason why trans-identified people should be immune from the mental health problems that afflict the rest of us, and they clearly aren't. British and Finnish studies, among others, have shown that people with mental health problems are over-represented in the trans-identified cohort, and there is a particular issue with autistic young people, who are over-represented to a statistically implausible degree. (48% of the discredited
...and here is the context. When people are misdiagnosing mental health issues and neurodivergence as evidence of gender dysphoria and subsequently affirming their misdiagnosis to the point the patient is convinced all their problems will be solved by trying to change their sex, then it's an issue, to put it mildly.
