The Box of Chocolates Thread (You never know what you're going to get!)
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I'm familiar with the conspiracy theory book that lead you and others to believe this.
"historyreclaimed.co.uk"
Good God that's embarrassing. How many legitimate historical websites did you pass over before finding these cranks and their colonial apologia?
that would be nice, but they arent going to. ask NATO to not try to start a war with them.
Russia should bend the knee to the most powerful and prosperous empire in the history of humanity and join in the positives as everyone else.
You don't, be thankful we don't annihilate you. Every life in your country becomes expendable, you exist only at our mercy.
That's about it.
And every single individual living in the empire should agree or face the consequences
You guys can literally play this absurd game with FDR if you want. How would it go.....
1) Because of his direct choices on immigration/refugees, he missed saving the lives of at least 190k Jews. It was probably much more.
2) His terrible decision at Yalta lead to hundreds of thousands of people being imprisoned and tortured in brutal communist regimes. That's probably putting it lightly.
3) What was it, over 100k Japanese Americans to camps?
We can do Ghandi. Ghandi who wrote Hitler a letter where he called Hitler his "friend", and said “Nor do we believe that you are the monster described by your opponents.”
He also said to the Brits during WW2:
“This manslaughter must be stopped. You are losing; if you persist, it will only result in greater bloodshed. Hitler is not a bad man.”
He told the Jews:
they "should have offered themselves to the butcher’s knife. They should have thrown
I don't understand, Rafiki, why Churchill is a "great man" and Ghandi/Roosevelt don't get that praise from you even tho Churchill starved 3 million Indians? Seems inconsistent?
Russia should bend the knee to the most powerful and prosperous empire in the history of humanity and join in the positives as everyone else.
You don't, be thankful we don't annihilate you. Every life in your country becomes expendable, you exist only at our mercy.
That's about it.
And every single individual living in the empire should agree or face the consequences
Russia tried to join NATO
Russia tried to join NATO so they could prevent NATO from intervening when they tried to invade a country. They tried this tactic again when they offered Ukraine their "ceasefire" ultimatum in 2022. NATO is a defensive alliance, it only threatens a country's ability to invade.
Trying to justify Russia's invasion of Ukraine by saying that other countries should have opened themselves up to the potential for an invasion by Russia is... wow.
This thread really got derailed.
I was in the Bay Area and ate at King of Kabab in Berkeley for lunch - Microbet might have been there and had their Falafel wrap. I may have purposefully picked the place but they are doing well. Good price and quality food.
In 1937, Winston Churchill told the Palestine Royal Commission: "I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place."
Story checks out
"historyreclaimed.co.uk"
Good God that's embarrassing. How many legitimate historical websites did you pass over before finding these cranks and their colonial apologia?
Trolly which historical fact in there would you like to dispute? Go ahead, list it.
This won't end super well for you, I don't think there's a Churchill bio I haven't read (what with him being one of my heroes).
You might enjoy the...Times of India?
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blog... (which in fairness doesn't even really get into the conclusive obvious points)
Churchill a bigot, but don’t blame him for 3m deaths
It's kind of amazing that one woman, who isn't a historian, writes a mediocre book that gets picked up by a few outlets, and then suddenly this all happens. You guys can see why I'm so moon landing about it. It's pretty silly. We talk about bad sources, but Mukerjee (the journalist) was sort of the definition of a bad source on this thing. And historians have repeatedly destroyed her arguments. Even ones who don't particularly like WC.
Russia should bend the knee to the most powerful and prosperous empire in the history of humanity and join in the positives as everyone else.
Actually, RUSSIA should have just joined abandoned its culture of corruption and cronyism, joined the EU, and provided energy and high skilled workers; so the the EU could have been its own superpower. Not that long ago it wasn't obvious whether the EU or US would emerge as the stronger power of the 21st century, but decisions were made (most importantly the EU deciding to give up its own energy production) and the EU faded and the US surged.
I just hope that everybody realizes that Churchill was neither as irreplaceable or as essential as Alan Turing.
Give them what they want
Actually, RUSSIA should have just joined abandoned its culture of corruption and cronyism, joined the EU, and provided energy and high skilled workers; so the the EU could have been its own superpower. Not that long ago it wasn't obvious whether the EU or US would emerge as the stronger power of the 21st century, but decisions were made (most importantly the EU deciding to give up its own energy production) and the EU faded and the US surg
I don't think energy production is the reason why we don't have an European google, Microsoft, Nvidia and so on. And that's all that matters today to be number one.
Trolly which historical fact in there would you like to dispute? Go ahead, list it.
This won't end super well for you, I don't think there's a Churchill bio I haven't read (what with him being one of my heroes).
You might enjoy the...Times of India?
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blog... (which in fairness doesn't even really get into the conclusive obvious points)
It's even more amazing that you dismiss the grievances of those who suffered under colonialism as akin to 9/11 truthers and refuse to even address the issue. Your apologia, hubris and arrogance are off the charts.
It's even more amazing that you dismiss the grievances of those who suffered under colonialism as akin to 9/11 truthers and refuse to even address the issue. Your apologia, hubris and arrogance are off the charts.
Where do you account for all the positives of colonialism like you know, literacy, running water, electricity, enough calories to not starve, antibiotics and so on?
How many people would prefer to live as natives pre-western influence than in their current state?
Or is the model some utopian idea of "they could have got everything good the west has anyway without colonization", and if so why?
Because remember that almost anything that makes life worth living and not an utterly miserable horrendous experience of horror has been developed by the west.
Where do you account for all the positives of colonialism like you know, literacy, running water, electricity, enough calories to not starve, antibiotics and so on?
How many people would prefer to live as natives pre-western influence than in their current state?
Or is the model some utopian idea of "they could have got everything good the west has anyway without colonization", and if so why?
Because remember that almost anything that makes li
Colonialism was based on supremacy and this supremacist mindset spawned hegemony, invasion, oppression, subjugation, the attempted eradication of culture, torture, the dismissal of suffering (due to the supremacist mindset that these weren't "real" people but primitive savages), mass murder and a laissez faire attitude to mass starvation via famine. It still has effects today via divided nations and the trauma of collective psyches. **** colonialism and your apologia for it.
And the Irish or Indians or the rest of The Natives weren't literate before being colonised? Unbelievable White Mans Burden bs revisionist arrogance from you.
Tune in Next week for our special on how King Leopold and Cromwell were also Great Men...
I just hope that everybody realizes that Churchill was neither as irreplaceable or as essential as Alan Turing.
I just hope that everybody realizes that Wilson was neither as irreplaceable or as essential as Henry Ford.
fun game. can you ever make your point directly though?
