President Joe Biden

President Joe Biden

Right now, we need VP Biden, we need him to step down and drop out so Bernie sanders can save this country from this global crisis just like FDR.

A thread to debate the efficacy of a Joe Biden Presidency in the midst of a global pandemic and impending Great Recession/Depression.

Where is Joe Biden? Can he beat Trump and is he even trying to? What would a Joe Biden Presidency look like in these times? Where is he and why isn't he leading?

20 March 2020 at 09:14 PM
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by smartDFS P

20% uncommitted vote in MN primary. lower protest votes elsewhere. i thought it was a bad sign overall, but his nominee and presidency odds increased today, so i guess market saw his super tuesday performance as better than expected.

SOTU incoming... despite reading from a teleprompter projected from 15 angles, don't think he has the stamina to make it the distance. if he doesn't have a headline worthy meltdown along the way, i'll shut up an

when do you think the last time a president gave a speech NOT from a teleprompter? such a weird line of attack when it's probably been used for every on camera appearance by everyone since they were invented.

and sure biden is old and i would prefer another candidate, but on biden's worst day he still has twice the brain power Trump has on his best.


didn't mean to suggest he's unique in teleprompter use. more along the lines of "despite the fact he just needs to read from a teleprompter, i anticipate some cringe moments in his speech that make headlines"

and sure biden is old and i would prefer another candidate, but on biden's worst day he still has twice the brain power Trump has on his best.

hopefully you're right. i worry this is incorrect, and not because i think trump has much brain power.


(From twitter)

Something weird going on, with Biden approval rate being approx the same, today, as Trump approval rate was immediatly after jan 6



And unlike national polls, which could be underestimating Biden and democrats a little (if it's true that polling the under35 is harder than polling people 35+, and the polls aren't re-weighted according to that, still TBD ) it is known that Biden approval rate among left leaning young people is lower than among leftleaning older people, so it can't be that.


Approve/disapprove polls are always questionable if trying to extrapolate them to an election. I would think (and this is only my guess) that disapproval of Biden does not only come from the right, but from those on the left that think he isn't doing enough for their agenda; that he's not far enough to the left. For example - I can see those that think there's not enough student loan forgiveness to disapprove. Whereas for Trump, I don't see his disapproval coming from the far right at all.


by smartDFS P

20% uncommitted vote in MN primary. lower protest votes elsewhere. i thought it was a bad sign overall, but his nominee and presidency odds increased today, so i guess market saw his super tuesday performance as better than expected.

It seems odd that dems are +105 to win, yet biden is +220. I didn't expect this big of a gap this late in the cycle. Not all of that gap can be explained by the odds of death.

by smartDFS P

SOTU incoming... despite reading from a teleprompter projected from 15 angles, don't think he has the stamina to make it the distance. if he doesn't have a headline worthy meltdown along the way, i'll shut up and just accept he is the nominee. still don't see him winning in november though.

Sometimes it isn't about winning or losing. Sometimes it is about inspiring people. Think about how many millions of Americas are stuck in a nursing home who stumble over words, constantly lose their train of thought, forget the names of the people around them, constantly are getting lost and fall up the stairs. Those people see themselves in Biden and Biden is showing them that no matter how far your coordination, memory and cognitive abilities slip you can still be a productive member of society and handle a job like wal-mart greater, social media influencer or president of the US.


by Didace P

Approve/disapprove polls are always questionable if trying to extrapolate them to an election. I would think (and this is only my guess) that disapproval of Biden does not only come from the right, but from those on the left that think he isn't doing enough for their agenda; that he's not far enough to the left. For example - I can see those that think there's not enough student loan forgiveness to disapprove. Whereas for Trump, I don't see

It's generally true that disapproval by independents / moderates is more relevant, as that can be a vote that goes to the other side so a net -2, but a strong disapproval inside your team can mean a vote that isn't cast or goes 3rd party as a sign of protest.

But yes national polls are high for Biden, given that disapproval, that's because it must be a lot of the disapproval comes from people who would otherwise typically vote left (or not vote)


I heard a good amount of the SOTU address on the radio. He sounded very good, maybe the best I've ever heard him sound. Apparently he was even going off script a good amount of the time, but very few tongue stumbles. I usually don't care about this kind of thing, but I think I'm going to try to listen to the whole thing soon.



definitely outperformed my expectations. a bit of slurring here and there, frequent coughing, but overall way more with it than i expected. maintaining a steady indignance throughout basically the whole speech was a good tack.


Saturday Night Cold Open:

BIDEN [ ]
BRITT [x]


by smartDFS P

definitely outperformed my expectations. a bit of slurring here and there, frequent coughing, but overall way more with it than i expected. maintaining a steady indignance throughout basically the whole speech was a good tack.

That's true, he was coughing quite a bit. Maybe more noticeable on TV than the radio.


by nonsimplesimon P

Saturday Night Cold Open:

BIDEN [ ]
BRITT [x]

Who's Britt?


by chillrob P

Who's Britt?

the son of the Kansas City Chiefs head coach who just got his sentence commuted (for which he barely served any time) for maiming a child while driving drunk.

MAGA states gonna MAGA...the party of law and order!!!!

Spoiler
Show

for everyone other than them

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by 702guy P

the son of the Kansas City Chiefs head coach who just got his sentence commuted (for which he barely served any time) for maiming a child while driving drunk.

MAGA states gonna MAGA...the party of law and order!!!!

Spoiler
Show

for everyone other than them

.

And you think the SNL cold open tomorrow will more likely be about that guy than President Biden?

I don't get the connection with MAGA either.


by chillrob P

And you think the SNL cold open tomorrow will more likely be about that guy than President Biden?

I don't get the connection with MAGA either.

I think he refer to the fact the little girl (victim) was black.


Apparently the fox talking heads thought Biden was too energetic last night. Lol.


It was fine.

All these articles acting like Biden was the second coming of MLK during this speech are also just nauseating to behold.

He didn't do anything to embarrass himself, so the right wingers gotta make **** up to nitpick.

He didn't do anything to embarrass himself, so the left wingers gotta pretend like it was the greatest oration of our time and he doesn't look a day over 35.

Just have the election, please. Let's get this over with.


by Inso0 P

It was fine.

All these articles acting like Biden was the second coming of MLK during this speech are also just nauseating to behold.

He didn't do anything to embarrass himself, so the right wingers gotta make **** up to nitpick.

He didn't do anything to embarrass himself, so the left wingers gotta pretend like it was the greatest oration of our time and he doesn't look a day over 35.

Just have the election, please. Let's get this over with.

Biden objectively over performed given the fairly low threshold many people had.

he didn't show significant signs of cognitive decline nor he fumbled upon simple things.

he had his takes on stuff which is what you expect from this kind of speech , and he vehemently tried to pivot to the center which was obviously correct politically given polls and an upcoming election.

I think whomever drafted the text and/or planned this speech scored a significant point for democrats.


by nonsimplesimon P

Saturday Night Cold Open:

BIDEN [ ]
BRITT [x]

Sorry, the answer is....

Both!

I guess 702guy had the wrong Britt.


Good Ole Joe apologizing to the murderer but not the family of the girl killed for butchering her name

Take the drugs and the teleprompter away and Joe is back at it. Now he is running for a senate position not president

No red line for Israel either Drop a loaf of bread and 10 bombs


by Inso0 P

It was fine.

All these articles acting like Biden was the second coming of MLK during this speech are also just nauseating to behold.

He didn't do anything to embarrass himself, so the right wingers gotta make **** up to nitpick.

He didn't do anything to embarrass himself, so the left wingers gotta pretend like it was the greatest oration of our time and he doesn't look a day over 35.

Just have the election, please. Let's get this over with.

Any actual left-winger doesn't give a flying **** about Joe Biden successfully not dying in the middle of the SOTU. We, are, however, deeply and strongly opposed to his continued direct support to the IDF and its massacre of Palestine. Don't conflate this group with center-right Democrats.

Anyway, can I get an update on when "the adults in the room" of your Republican Party are going to come together and stop Trump from winning the GOP nomination? You promised this multiple times, over multiple months. I haven't been keeping up, how's that going?


GOP "adults in the room" look at Joe's Israel misadventure and Trump's term and scoff at the amateurs. Adult In The Room Dick Cheney killed exponentially more civilians than Joe or Trump did in their combined eight years!


Terrorists with a lot of big guns are mean to terrorists with fewer, smaller guns. This angers the Marxist.

Booooooo hissssss Capitalism bad!


as expected, predicted and discussed, Biden polling numbers, albeit with some delay, replicate population feelings about the economy, and lately those are improving and so are Biden chances

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024...


by Luciom P

as expected, predicted and discussed, Biden polling numbers, albeit with some delay, replicate population feelings about the economy, and lately those are improving and so are Biden chances

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024...

yes proving how clueless the amercians are in many things. -> deficient public education.

the american economy is the best in the world like the past 24 months +...

this was written over summer 2023 !
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-econo...


The US came in well above the other G7 countries in terms of GDP growth since fourth quarter 2019, or right before the start of the COVID-19 pandemic, according to the OECD. The US grew 5.3% over the period, while Canada grew 3.5% and Italy 2.4%. Germany and the UK were both in the negatives.

But when u know like almost 40% of the population are close to blind on facts, it isnt surprising the economy is doing bad when its "blue" regardless of anything positive.


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