The costs of trans visibility
Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....
For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and
. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.
What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.
We need to do better.
It isn't gross.
If in the victim hood ladder you put trans people above homosexuals, which is what radical activism is doing right now, and you claim trans women are women, you are forcing lesbian associations to accept people with dicks (a very violent enforcement of your preferences) against their will, or lose their tax exempt status, and that's homophobia.
And it happened in the UK. And it is being litigated, it's not an hypothetical
I think we both agree the anti-trans activists are creating a reactionary based ladder. It’s cowardly and abusive ldo. And you’re right about conservative anti trans protestors and their extremist agenda- it is enforcing gender norms and in your words “forcing lesbians to accept people with dicks”. You should stand up to the right wing filth that is doing this more aggressively. I don’t want them near my family or children.
If I use the phrase "actual trans," I am referring to people who experience this mismatch and choose to live socially as the opposite sex. I would use this phrase to contrast people are adopting a trans identity either due to a social contagion, or for impure purposes (like a man trying to gain access to women's spaces for sexual gratification).
The amount of time spent in this thread by a handful of people fretting over things like this is...disappointing, to say the least. "Social contagion...impure purposes" - yes, this is what we need to worry about. Not the constant shitting on trans and the wider LGBTQ+ community that this nonsense encourages. 🙄 Although I guess creating a hostile environment would cut down on the feared social contagion epidemic. 😡
If there are a few confused kids, they'll sort it out. I also have confidence that the handful of men "trying to gain access to women's spaces for sexual gratification" will be handled in much the same way as they always have been. So far the gender neutral washrooms in our schools have created no big problems of this nature in the several years they've been rolled out, and I've not heard of any major issues in the community either.
I didn't say they were "liars".
You think the older generation is not telling the truth, for whatever reason. I think they're being honest. There is no way that 5% of the elderly secretly consider themselves to be trans.
this debate has been pretty hilarious. the amount of hoops people will jump through to convince themselves that they are right. i would wager a left testicle that the amount of trans people was not 5% ten, twenty, thirty, forty, fifty years ago and that people today (not all of them) are for sure claiming to be trans for attention.
The amount of time spent in this thread by a handful of people fretting over things like this is...disappointing, to say the least. "Social contagion...impure purposes" - yes, this is what we need to worry about. Not the constant shitting on trans and the wider LGBTQ+ community that this nonsense encourages. 🙄 Although I guess creating a hostile environment would cut down on the feared social contagion epidemic. 😡
If there are a few confused
You still fail to understand that giving up on this topic means the complete destruction of the whole fibers of society.
If you accept a word like woman, with all it's legal implications, can be subjectively redefined by activists you accept objective reality doesn't exist in any topic of life.
It is an existential threat to cohabitation, a significant portion of society in some countries is trying something unprecedented in human history, to deconstruct the entire corpus of previously accumulated knowledge and toss it away on pure fiat.
This is a threat to everything we care about and does generalize and extend to everything else.
These people (the fanatical activists who claim that biological sex doesn't exist and being a woman is entirely a subjective choice) are to be destroyed in the public arena and treated at the very least the same we treat people who tatoo a swastika on their forehead.
The kids being mutilated while minors in the meanwhile are just the small tip of the iceberg of problems.
If woman is subjective, all of reality is. And if you control academia you control reality. A "study" claiming any bullshit, like that masks can protect you against an RNA airborne virus, becomes the basis for law enforcement.
And it's exactly one by one the same people.
If you understand that the trans activists are exactly the same people pushing for vax mandates and ti remove civil rights of the unvaxxed, to violently abuse minors with masks in school, to be pro Palestine and pro Putin Russia, for being against capitalism and fossil fuels because the poor polar bears have it worse and so on, then maybe you get the point of this fight.
It isn't about trans for us we would never give a **** about the one in a thousand who feels he is of the opposite sex
You still fail to understand that giving up on this topic means the complete destruction of the whole fibers of society.
If you accept a word like woman, with all it's legal implications, can be subjectively redefined by activists you accept objective reality doesn't exist in any topic of life.
It is an existential threat to cohabitation, a significant portion of society in some countries is trying something unprecedented in human history, to
Luciom,
You get a lot of flak around here but I want you to know you are appreciated. Of course your post will be labeled as....well, something but you are spot on here. if someone wants to be the opposite sex, cool, do your thing. stop trying to convince us the sun rises in the west, however.
You still fail to understand that giving up on this topic means the complete destruction of the whole fibers of society.
If you accept a word like woman, with all it's legal implications, can be subjectively redefined by activists you accept objective reality doesn't exist in any topic of life.
It is an existential threat to cohabitation, a significant portion of society in some countries is trying something unprecedented in human history, to
You clearly don’t need a mask.
The amount of time spent in this thread by a handful of people fretting over things like this is...disappointing, to say the least. "Social contagion...impure purposes" - yes, this is what we need to worry about. Not the constant shitting on trans and the wider LGBTQ+ community that this nonsense encourages. 🙄 Although I guess creating a hostile environment would cut down on the feared social contagion epidemic. 😡
If there are a few confused
have you considered that the "shitting on of the lgbtq+" has to do with the constant barrage of "you must accept us?" that is constantly shoved down our throats? like, we do accept you. leave us alone.
Luciom,
You get a lot of flak around here but I want you to know you are appreciated. Of course your post will be labeled as....well, something but you are spot on here. if someone wants to be the opposite sex, cool, do your thing. stop trying to convince us the sun rises in the west, however.
As a libertarian, well before the left cared about homosexuals and trans and any other kind of niche minorities with "weird" behavioral propensities, i always defended in full the right for any adult to do the **** they want with their life no question asked full stop.
But other people having to "affirm" it in any way was never part of the picture
have you considered that the "shitting on of the lgbtq+" has to do with the constant barrage of "you must accept us?" that is constantly shoved down our throats? like, we do accept you. leave us alone.
Almost no one except some very evil or stupid conservatives shits on LGB nowadays.
They won their battles and society is better for it.
The T never had anything to do with the LGB though.
And there are lesbian groups in particular who are horrified by trans activism and feel betrayed by society when the trans activism gets accepted as truth
Almost no one except some very evil or stupid conservatives shits on LGB nowadays.
They won their battles and society is better for it.
The T never had anything to do with the LGB though.
And there are lesbian groups in particular who are horrified by trans activism and feel betrayed by society when the trans activism gets accepted as truth
and those people are beyond helping anyway. in the continued effort to change the minds of people who lack the ability to change their mind, all these activists are ultimately doing is turning off people who are receptive, yet not gung-ho, on the issue.
Ok, you’re using it to mean those who strongly identify as trans, not for those who have a single gender which is independent of whether or not they identify with it. Because if we each have a single (independent) gender, then we can expect ~ 50% of the population to be “actual trans”, right? I would add that many who adopt the trans identity due to social contagion also develop a strong gender identity, so I personally would distinguish it
I don't believe people have a gender. Gender is a linguistic/ anthropological term. In some languages nouns and verbs have a gender, and in all cultures there are certain social roles, spaces, and activities that are strongly "gendered," i.e., associated strongly with male or female (e.g., in Anglo-saxon culture, knitting with female, fishing with male).
Some people experience a subjective sense of mismatch between their birth sex and how they want to be perceived in the world. Some of these people choose to live as the opposite sex, and those are the people I would label as "actually trans." I have doubts about whether transitioning (and even more so undergoing surgical and pharmacological interventions) is the right choice for all the people in this category, however I do certainly have sympathy for them as I do believe that their gender mismatch (gender dysphoria) is a real source of trauma for them.
But not everyone who chooses to label themselves as "transgender" fits into this category. Some of them are young people in the grips of a social contagion, others are grifters claiming a fashionable identity for clout, others are male perverts trying to gain access to female spaces.
it was ran improperly because of ideological capture, and this was corrected by closing it down.
Nonsense. Bell reported a fear among clinical staff of being accused of being transphobic, leading to an unwillingness to adequately assess individual cases.
But carry on tilting at your "ideological capture" windmills.
I don't believe people have a gender. Gender is a linguistic/ anthropological term. In some languages nouns and verbs have a gender, and in all cultures there are certain social roles, spaces, and activities that are strongly "gendered," i.e., associated strongly with male or female (e.g., in Anglo-saxon culture, knitting with female, fishing with male).
I'm not sure there is such a thing as "gendered verbs" although there might be some languages where some verbs are exclusively used by one sex.
Part of what confuses uneducated people about gender when it comes to language is that they think masculine and feminine are the only genders due to their experience with Western languages-- but a language like Swahili has 11 genders. Just calling them noun classes would be easier.
If there are a few confused kids, they'll sort it out. I also have confidence that the handful of men "trying to gain access to women's spaces for sexual gratification" will be handled in much the same way as they always have been. So far the gender neutral washrooms in our schools have created no big problems of this nature in the several years they've been rolled out, and I've not heard of any major issues in the community either.
How are the confused kids going to sort it out when they're 30 years old and want to have families of their own, but were sterilized when they were teenagers caught in a social contagion?
How are you going to handle men trying to gain access to female spaces when you open up women's spaces to anyone who claims trans identity? Have a government issued "transgender license"? There is a small segment (maybe 1-2%) of the population that have no moral scruples and will use any loophole, including claiming transgender status, to get what they want. There's no way to police this effectively in a way that doesn't increase the risk to women and girls.
Having gender neutral spaces available is all well and good, but not at the expense of denying women a space of their own if they want it.
I think we both agree the anti-trans activists are creating a reactionary based ladder. It’s cowardly and abusive ldo. And you’re right about conservative anti trans protestors and their extremist agenda- it is enforcing gender norms and in your words “forcing lesbians to accept people with dicks”. You should stand up to the right wing filth that is doing this more aggressively. I don’t want them near my family or children.
I mean you guys put Rowlings, a banal normal center left person , as a reactionary leader these days so...
Rowling.
And her position on trans is certainly not centre of anything.
Trans women will take away from women:
- womens parking places
- womens scholarships
- womens prizemoney in sports
- womens safety in sports
- womens safe places
- womens bathrooms
- womens lockers
- womens gyms
What is the worst? The worst could be parking spaces. When all womens parking spaces are occupied with trans women, real women could get raped bc they have to park farther away than they are supposed to.
Yeah, no, I cant say im a women, just to get access to better parking places.
SOME RULES HAVE TO APPLY HERE:
NO MORE SELF GENDER BS.
WE CANT LET MEN DECIDE WHATEVER THEY WANT. THAT WOULD BE ALL WRONG AGAIN. WHY DID WE INSTALL WOMENS PARKING PLACES IN THE FIRST PLACE IF ALL OF THE SUDDEN MEN GET ACCESS TO IT?
THAT DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL, DOES IT?
Lia thomas does not need a womens parking place.
The problem of the numbers of rapes isn't best solved with parking spaces but by having better organised societies where people feel more useful and rewarded and aren't taught to hate so much.
If 5% identify as trans now,
We might not have enough womens parking spaces.
If you solve the societal problems that create incel culture you fix many things.
The problem of the numbers of rapes isn't best solved with parking spaces but by having better organised societies where people feel more useful and rewarded and aren't taught to hate so much.
Yes agreed. But not realistic.
We made safety zones for women bc we needed them, and we still do.
Women now need safety zones more than ever.
Why are there more male to female than female to male?
That seems odd:
"Of the 1.3 million adults who identify as transgender, 38.5% (515,200) are transgender women, 35.9% (480,000) are transgender men, and 25.6% (341,800) reported they are gender nonconforming. "
Whats gender nonconforming?
Thats the guys that are the cherrypickers right? They just choose whatever they like whenever it suits them.
"Today im a women because i like parking places and tomorrow im a men because I like soccer" wtf?
