The costs of trans visibility
Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....
For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and
. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.
What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.
We need to do better.
The problem of the numbers of rapes isn't best solved with parking spaces but by having better organised societies where people feel more useful and rewarded and aren't taught to hate so much.
This is the craziest thing I have seen in this forum in a long time, maybe ever!
You think people become rapists because they don't feel useful and rewarded?
I've almost never felt useful or rewarded myself, certainly not in a long time. Haven't been thinking about raping anyone though.
Maybe if you were whipping off less than 50 posts/day in this forum, you'd be able to read through the posts you reply to more carefully. I said "at least one poster", and "on a whim" refers to the surgery - "getting surgery based on nothing more than a whim". That seems to be the implication I've seen from some - if you disagree, that's great!
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It has been many posters, and we aren't saying some people self identify as trans for "a whim". We claim some young people (mostly girls) self identify as trans while not being trans to avoid societal pressure (about impossible standards for women) and/or because of bad faith medical counselors/teachers pushing them toward that possibility, and/or because of their parents (a topic we have discussed enough).
There are parents who claim 2 or more of their children, often under10, are self identifying as trans. What are the odds that's true? And why it's only exclusively extreme radical leftist parents who claim that?
On a side note, I've always been amused by laws banning "puberty blockers for minors". I guess they think that sounds better than "banning puberty blockers".
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Usually it's "for minors with gender disphoria ", we just cut it, because no one is proposing (afaik) to ban puberty blockers for minors with excessively precious puberty which can be a condition.
"Banning puberty blockers" would be simply false because of that, and because some puberty blockers are also used as prostate cancer therapy
Ask bryce or check any trans activist publication or social media feed.
Even Theresa May government was close to pass a law that allowed pure self identification to change sex legally (removing all other requirements).
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020...
Several UN agencies claim exactly that, for prisons
https://www.unfpa.org/publications/techn...
As I made it abundantly clear already, you miss the extent of the extremism on this topic by the left, which is why you look at our reaction in stupor, while instead it's a fully justified request for normality facing absurd, unprecedented, incredible claims and policies tried and enacted by radical leftists
Put a little soul in your vision! Put a little bit of soul in you. Just a little bit
wtf does it matter if people experiment with gender. Like it's equal to displacing some long-reigning sanity, exemplified by anyone at all
A recent study showed over 40% of those who undertook gender affirming treatment still suffered from suicidal ideation based on self report. Consider that number in light of the possibility that even more are in a state of denial due to the strong desire of wanting the treatment to be successful. None of this is surprising if you know the patterns of the mind.
Bottom line, affirming a gender identity is not the solution to this problem. Esca
Yes, 1000%. I want people who are suffering with gender identity issues to get better, just like anyone else who is suffering. I'm not even against affirming someone's identity if that might help. You want to be trans, fine be trans, whatever that means for you. Just don't put troubled kids through medical procedures that lead to sterilization and other permanent damage.
pretense
You really feel you're needed on that wall, bless your heart
The transphobic far right
Saw this opinion piece in the National Post on WPATH World Professional Association for Transgender Health titled
Leaked files expose the ethical rot behind modern transgender medicine
10 i think, the DSM V (2013) changed the definition of gender disphoria from all instances where you felt you are of the opposite sex, to only those in which feeling you are of the opposite sex make you suffer (i am simplifying)
This is the craziest thing I have seen in this forum in a long time, maybe ever!
You think people become rapists because they don't feel useful and rewarded?
I've almost never felt useful or rewarded myself, certainly not in a long time. Haven't been thinking about raping anyone though.
I think the kind of hatred that tips some men into rape has societal origins, yes, as does most crime. Obviously I'm not talking about all rapists.
I wouldn’t be a good source to ask this question because I’m not on the far left.
But I would say the idea that trans rights is being pushed by marxists rather than common sense is another conspiracy that you on the extreme right would have to prove.
Similarly, rather than debating policy conspiracy theorists extremists also suggested bizarre communist or new world order conspiracies for almost any policy they didn’t understand at the time,.
For example gay rights or school desegregation, both were explained through the lens of conspiracy by the extremist at the time.
So I guess explaining this new conspiracy is another thing on lucian’s to do list, but it seems unfounded and ridiculous to me.
How many gay people aged 40+ do you think would say that they wish society had been more accepting of homosexuality when they were younger? I'm guessing a significant majority.
How many people do you know who say they wish they had been sterilized or had a mastectomy when they were younger? I'm guessing none.
That's the difference between the gay rights issue and the trans issue.
Nope. First off that’s not analogous.
A more appropriate equivocation would be how many gay people wish society had been accepting of homosexuality in the past
vs
How many trans people wish people had been more accepting of those who were transgender in the past?
Second they can’t say that right now because 100’s of insane anti trans bills are being passed right now.
I wouldn’t be a good source to ask this question because I’m not on the far left.
But I would say the idea that trans rights is being pushed by marxists rather than common sense is another conspiracy that you on the extreme right would have to prove
You write off a belief as ‘common sense’ that is overwhelmingly rejected by most Americans.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/507023/say-...
You have a curious bar for what constitutes ‘common sense’
I wouldn’t be a good source to ask this question because I’m not on the far left.
But I would say the idea that trans rights is being pushed by marxists rather than common sense is another conspiracy that you on the extreme right would have to prove.
Similarly, rather than debating policy conspiracy theorists extremists also suggested bizarre communist or new world order conspiracies for almost any policy they didn’t understand at the time,
No the claim i told him to ask about is this
/You guys talk like your "all self identification as trans is absolutely to be affirmed including by prescribing drugs and surgery"/
do you disagree that all self identification as trans is to be affirmed including with drugs and surgery?
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As for there rest there is no "conspiracy" , it's all clearly in the open, and transparent.
I think the kind of hatred that tips some men into rape has societal origins, yes, as does most crime. Obviously I'm not talking about all rapists.
This if fairly incredible tbh, rape pulsion is as biological as it comes. You need culture to overcome those pulsions not the other way around. In the "state of nature" rape of women outside the group is extremely common.
No the claim i told him to ask about is this
/You guys talk like your "all self identification as trans is absolutely to be affirmed including by prescribing drugs and surgery"/
do you disagree that all self identification as trans is to be affirmed including with drugs and surgery?
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As for there rest there is no "conspiracy" , it's all clearly in the open, and transparent.
So you can’t address what I wrote , got it.
You write off a belief as ‘common sense’ that is overwhelmingly rejected by most Americans.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/507023/say-...
You have a curious bar for what constitutes ‘common sense’
There’s lots of things that just take common sense to understand that only 30% of americans agree on because they haven’t thought of that specific issue before.
Anyone who uses the oppressore/oppressed frame is a marxist, because that's a marxist invention , a marxist lens to look at society.
Everyone who considers equality of outcome among groups an inherent moral value is a marxist for the same reasons.
If you reason in marxists terms, you are a marxist.
There’s lots of things that just take common sense to understand that only 30% of americans agree on because they haven’t thought of that specific issue before.
The link literally tells you the number of people agreeing with it is *decreasing*, ie the more they think about letting men who think they are women participate in women sports, the more they see they win everything , the more they dislike the idea.
And international sport associations who thought a lot about this topic are banning biological men from participation in women sports.
The specific issue is a very common sense one: being a biological man is a huge advantage in most sports, because men bodies are better built for various specific physical activities. They are quicker and stronger on average. Common sense people know that.
And if you guys had a shred of intellectual dignity you would see the problem is only for men who think they are women, and never the opposite. Women who think they are men don't win anything if they participate in men sports.
That alone should suffice for any common sense person to understand the issue is very simple, and to link participation in sport to biological sex, not "gender identity".
Anyone who uses the oppressore/oppressed frame is a marxist, because that's a marxist invention , a marxist lens to look at society.
Everyone who considers equality of outcome among groups an inherent moral value is a marxist for the same reasons.
If you reason in marxists terms, you are a marxist.
I didn’t use the above reasoning, sorry. But if you’re saying for example those who opposed the one drop rule in america we’re all marxist or those who opposed Hitler were all marxist because they thought of hitler and the one drop rule as oppressive, I don’t know what to tell you. I think having the state force trans kids to conform to a ridiculous set of norms is marxist. Your extremist position is more marxist than mine.
I didn’t use the above reasoning, sorry. But if you’re saying for example those who opposed the one drop rule in america we’re all marxist or those who opposed Hitler were all marxist because they thought of hitler and the one drop rule as oppressive, I don’t know what to tell you. I think having the state force trans kids to conform to a ridiculous set of norms is marxist. Your extremist position is more marxist tha
Research the Frankfurt School.
The playbook is literally out there for anyone to read.
It is a literal conspiracy, and it’s not a theory. Some other tactics have been added to it in-addenda, after world war 2.
The destruction of the independent family unit is the highest priority, because the nuclear family as the basis for society foments resistance against agendas from the Marxist state, which are often contrary to the interests typically developed by nuclear families.
The tactics used to attack it are cultural pressures and normalization of certain behaviors… and you can guess what they are.
There’s a reason the ‘conservative’ aesthetic is stuff like family, business, values, etc, and the ‘liberal’ aesthetic is a bunch of ‘fringe characters’ and junkies.
