The costs of trans visibility

The costs of trans visibility

Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....

For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and

. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.

What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.

We need to do better.

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30 June 2023 at 04:48 PM
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by coordi P

BLM isn't an organization, its a movement. The whole marxism thing is more propaganda used as a way to discredit an idea that isn't associated with any one person.

Like, in 2015 one lady said she was a trained Marxist and you've used that as justification to dismiss any sort of validity to a social movement that has hundreds of millions of supporters

Frankly, you are smarter than that.

No I also use the hundreds of violent riots organized by them to dismiss any sort of validity for the organization, and to consider anyone who proudly supports them somebody who shouldn't be anywhere near kids.


This is pretty much why my charity is all used up for this thread. You guys constantly act like a group of people is a problem. You will call them liars, rapists, criminals, mentally ill, whatever to raise yourself up above this group. The whole time you twist facts, blatantly misrepresent, or outright lie yourselves.

Its pathetic and you need to be told to your face how pathetic it is.

You aren't dumb, you are incredibly intelligent. I have zero doubt you are entirely aware of exactly what you are doing


by Luciom P

No I also use the hundreds of violent riots organized by them to dismiss any sort of validity for the organization, and to consider anyone who proudly supports them somebody who shouldn't be anywhere near kids.

This is so incredibly disingenuous that I just have to laugh after my last comment.


by Luciom P

What would be my lunacy itt

Everything after this post? I mean, that's not all of it, but it will do for an example.


by Didace P

Everything after this post? I mean, that's not all of it, but it will do for an example.

So just to understand your position, you agree with cordi that it is perfectly fine for teachers to put BLM flags in the classroom and school boards should not be allowed to have the flags removed?

And I am a lunatic to suggest BLM flags shouldn't be in schools, and teachers who put them should be fired, if that was legal.


by Didace P

"Library of Science degree teaches the management of books and other information, particularly through the collection, preservation, and organization of books and other materials found in libraries."

Source.

I don't believe I did that. It seems quite the extreme interpretation of my words.

There is a bit of irony in a website dedicated to Library Science Degrees starting out with a typo calling them Library of Science Degrees


by Didace P


I don't believe I did that. It seems quite the extreme interpretation of my words.

Ok. I read your post as being dismissive of the integral role school librarians play in supporting student learning beyond just being organizers, if that was not your intent then my response doesn't apply. Regardless, when it comes to choosing which books should be in the library, I think this is a decision best left to educators and not politicians which I doubt you disagree with.


by uke_master P

Regardless, when it comes to choosing which books should be in the library, I think this is a decision best left to educators and not politicians which I doubt you disagree with.

I do. Except when educators go off the rails. In your world, is there no oversight allowed?


by Luciom P

So just to understand your position, you agree with cordi that it is perfectly fine for teachers to put BLM flags in the classroom and school boards should not be allowed to have the flags removed?

And I am a lunatic to suggest BLM flags shouldn't be in schools, and teachers who put them should be fired, if that was legal.

As if that's the entirety of what you do (here and elsewhere).


by Didace P

I do. Except when educators go off the rails. In your world, is there no oversight allowed?

I imagine every school system has hierarchical structures and some level of oversight in extreme cases. If a teacher just spends all class time doing interpretive dance every day, the system is going to put an end to it. But such things should be reserved for very clear bright line kind of stuff, and worrying about exactly the kinds of sex ed materials (which should definitely be in the library given that every kid can get to hardcore porn on their phone in 10 seconds) is not the kind of thing were politicians should be enforcing ministries of education/departments of education on what books are or are not allowed.


by uke_master P

sex ed materials (which should definitely be in the library given that every kid can get to hardcore porn on their phone in 10 seconds)

If kids can get it so easily, why is it so important to be in the library? Being included in classroom materials is a different matter.


by Bobo Fett P

LOL.


Sigh.


OK then.

Here, maybe this will help your case.

**NSFW**

https://theiowastandard.com/shocking-ima...

what in the wide world of sports is this doing in a ****ing school library lmao

WHAT


by Didace P

If kids can get it so easily, why is it so important to be in the library? Being included in classroom materials is a different matter.

"Why is it important for books to be in the library?" asks one didace


by Didace P

If kids can get it so easily, why is it so important to be in the library? Being included in classroom materials is a different matter.

Because sex ed is not the same as porn. Finding relatable ways to discuss periods and sexual orientation and sexual desires and masturbation and all the other stuff that goes along with puberty that help support our kids understand and regulate their emotions through this phase seems really good. I'm no expert on what might be effective here, but the idea of a graphic novel where the protagonists are having nightmares about their periods or not liking their breasts coming in seems like....sure? I'm not going to get all upset about it. If this is relatable and helps some kids, great. If they find it silly and get nothing from it, ok too.


by Trolly McTrollson P

"Why is it important for books to be in the library?" asks one didace

Are you always this dumb? Or is it just a role you play?


It's so they will be available for students, that is why it is important to keep books in the library.


by uke_master P

Because sex ed is not the same as porn.

I already said that classroom materials are a different matter.


by Trolly McTrollson P

It's so they will be available for students, that is why it is important to keep books in the library.

All books? That would be quite the large library.


How was that? I was trying out my best imitation of you. I'm sure I fell short, though.


by BOIDS P

what in the wide world of sports is this doing in a ****ing school library lmao

WHAT

Agreed its Porn and if you want put it in a public library


by Didace P

I already said that classroom materials are a different matter.

Aren't we talking about libraries? Or is your position that sex ed should be allowed in classrooms but not in libraries? Regardless, the fact that porn exists shouldn't be an argument against the inclusion of sex ed materials in libraries because sex ed and porn are very different.


by Didace P

All books? That would be quite the large library.


How was that? I was trying out my best imitation of you. I'm sure I fell short, though.


You're very condescending for someone who couldn't figure out why we keep books in libraries.


by uke_master P

Aren't we talking about libraries? Or is your position that sex ed should be allowed in classrooms but not in libraries? Regardless, the fact that porn exists shouldn't be an argument against the inclusion of sex ed materials in libraries because sex ed and porn are very different.

right. I guess these extremist people itt would go to the library, see an educational book about periods written for teenage girls and think of it in their minds as a porn book about vaginas.


by spaceman Bryce P

right. I guess these extremist people itt would go to the library, see an educational book about periods written for teenage girls and think of it in their minds as a porn book about vaginas.

Ye sure keep going like that you are going to win every political battle by demonizing your opponents and treating them like crazy people


by spaceman Bryce P

right. I guess these extremist people itt would go to the library, see an educational book about periods written for teenage girls and think of it in their minds as a porn book about vaginas.

Makes you wonder what kind of porn they watch.


by uke_master P

Regardless, the fact that porn exists shouldn't be an argument against the inclusion of sex ed materials in libraries because sex ed and porn are very different.

I'm having a hard time reconciling the above with this -

by uke_master P

which should definitely be in the library given that every kid can get to hardcore porn on their phone in 10 seconds

I'm honestly not getting your logic here.


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