The costs of trans visibility

And you are a very dishonest poster.

I'll spell it out for you. Physical libraries are by definition a finite space. It might be news to you, but there are a lot of books in this world. Choices need to be made on what is physically in the libraries' catalogues. Not so hard, is it. The question is - who has ultimate authority over those choices?

Now, if you'd like to discuss things instead of using your usual drive-by "I'm too clever for these people, Got 'em." posting style, then I'd be happy to engage. But I'll remind you that I already said I think almost all book bans are silly.

Useful sex ed materials shouldn't be removed from libraries for being close to the line of being porn. The fact that actual porn is so easily accessible is a decent point in support of this because it counters the potential argument that having the materials in the library makes it easier for children to access "porn".

i dont know if its porn, but it doesnt belong next to a bunch of school books on algebra or whatever. i mean thats ****ing obvious

Not for "experts" apparently in some areas and according to Bobo and uke you are supposed to always defer to their decision or you are a fascist.

The same for some reason applies to every other topic where the experts agree with them

So you think it was that picture that people are saying is porn, instead of, say, the picture of one boy sucking another boy's dick?

You can educate about sex in high school ye. Mostly things about how the pill works, why condom are useful and so on.

But it's not particularly important and generations went up decently enough without that anyway.

Of course you should spend a lot more time about heterosexual sex because most people are heterosexual, same as you don't spend the same amount of time about the history of Iceland and that of the united states

Not a boy btw, a girl who thinks she is a boy

they've apparently forgotten what its like to be a teenage boy. imagine having a cartoon of someone sucking off a chick wearing a strapon in the ****ing school library lmao

With teachers eager to elaborate on that

great post.

Do you think any sex ed books should be in school libraries? Unless your answer is no then this position doesn't really make any sense at all and certainly isn't "****ing obvious".

Well that just makes no sense at all then. There are people who get excited by sucking on a piece of plastic? Or pretending they can feel something while watching someone else suck on a piece of plastic?

It might be titillating for all of a few minutes before they remember that they have a device in their pocket where they could see thousands of things just like that any time they want.

Getting access to porn isn't anything like it was when we were growing up. No matter how hard parents or teachers might try to prevent it it's just something that is available to any teenager who is remotely tech-savvy, which is 99% of them nowadays. We're not in the days of a teenage boy being excited at getting a peek at the mags on the top shelf any more - a book with a couple of fairly tame porn images being in the school library is not the big deal you think it is.

Of course it applies in education, and I'm sure in your other named fields. Do you actually think that decision makers in school districts (outside of elected officials) aren't the "product of many years of accumulated experience in their fields"?

LOL, no.

Sounds like you're looking for a really well-rounded education system. 🙄

I can't recall ever calling anyone a fascist on 2+2. As a matter of fact, I don't recall ever having done so outside of 2+2 either. While I certainly can be mocking or derisive in my tone at times, I actually try to avoid a lot of name-calling and personal insults here, so I'd appreciate you not just making things up that I didn't say.

And no, I've actually said multiple times that the governors of the system have a role in oversight, not that they "are supposed to always defer to their decision".

you and i along with all of our mates spent 75%+ of english lit looking up **** and piss and **** in the dictionary. this is fact and i will accept no argument on it. imagine what we would've done with the HEY WHY NOT TASTE YOUR OWN VAGINA SLIME? cartoon

honestly

yeah, how is tasting your own vagina juice sexual education? or blowing a strap on? i honestly can't believe how there are so many smart people who support this stuff.

"you can get this stuff on your phone anyway."

not all 14 year olds are thinking about porn at this point in life. on top of that there are certainly restrictions parents can put on their child's phone, no?

I don't know why anyone thinks sex ed books need to have graphic imagery. Like I don't get what it adds to the educational content at all.

I was pretty much self taught sex ed by reading books in the public library that had no pictures. I don't know what more I could have learned by them having pictures. Plus, if they had, I probably wouldn't have read them at all, because I would have been worried about someone noticing that I was reading a book filled with pictures of naked people. I could read a book full of words openly in a library without anyone having any idea what I was reading.

It would have been crazy because it would have been so far outside of anything we would have had easy access to. That's the entire point though. Nowadays it would be worthy of some degree of titillation in the same way looking up rude words in the dictionary or innuendo in Shakespeare might have been to us. But that's the extent of it because it's something that any teenager has access to whenever they want.

i was taught sex ed by living in the world. it's not really a complicated subject. it should be taught in science class for about three days.

Happy 5k posts ya'll

My claim is that children should have access to high-quality age appropriate sex ed materials. They all have access to one thing - porn. But porn is terrible for sex ed for a long list of reasons. And so we should teach sex ed in schools and have sex ed related books in libraries, both school and non-school alike so that kids can have access to these sex ed materials if they wish. What seems rather silly is people who get all twisted up about a sex ed book that somehow steps a tad over their personal sensibilities (usually about LGBT content) when all these kids have access to stuff way way way over their personal sensibilities with a few taps on their phones.

I do'nt know that it needs to have graphic imagery, more what is the problem precisely if it does have graphic imagery? In the link in question the medium for the stories being told literally is a graphic novel which of course is a popular medium for kids these ages and might be more accessible or engaging than say a regular novel. So sure, describing a period doesn't necessarily need to have an image of someone's nightmare of blood all over their legs, but that is pretty authentic to the medium here and seems rather anodyne.

I actually do think this is a fair point. The argument for a book like Gender Queer being included in a school library is that it could be very useful and insightful for someone growing up who relates to the author. It's lumped under sex ed but it's not about education into the physical act of sex but rather an education into the experience of growing up feeling like an outcast due to sexual/gender orientation.

My arguments in this thread are really why banning a book because it can be argued to be pornographic (albeit I'd actually argue that the imagery doesn't fit a true definition of pornography - the text is harder to argue against) should be a very high bar if the benefits of having it available are otherwise considered to be significant.

If the internet has taught us anything, it's that if you can imagine something, someone is doing it, is turned on by it, and posts pictures about it on the internet.

All of this.