The costs of trans visibility

The costs of trans visibility

Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....

For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and

. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.

What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.

We need to do better.

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30 June 2023 at 04:48 PM
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by spaceman Bryce P

Nothing in your post disputes what I wrote, it just confirms it. Similarly there are people against giving condoms to minors because they think minors shouldn’t be having sex outside of marriage. The quoted portion is just wrong. Have you seen the news in regards to abortion?

Abortion isn't birth control omg.

Yes there can be people against birth control for minors.


by browser2920 P

The difference is one of those is considered a slur. Please stop using it.

From our guidelines:

So does that apply to grannies as well? OK I will not use it . Just delete the word and let me know


by Luciom P

Abortion isn't birth control omg.

Yes there can be people against birth control for minors.

I agree those are not the same thing. But I was referring to the debate in regards to abortion.


by Luciom P

Abortion isn't birth control omg.

Yes there can be people against birth control for minors.

You might not think so but some women think of it that way


https://www.vox.com/24087411/anti-aborti...

relevant article in terms of the point I was making.


by lozen P

You might not think so but some women think of it that way

maybe some very radical leftist women do, but lol no that's not the normal way to think of abortion even for people pro abortion.

Birth control are the ways to avoid getting pregnant. That's also the medical definition.


by Luciom P

maybe some very radical leftist women do, but lol no that's not the normal way to think of abortion even for people pro abortion.

Birth control are the ways to avoid getting pregnant. That's also the medical definition.

from the article

In rationalizing the idea that birth control can somehow abort a pregnancy before a pregnancy begins, activists make a number of claims. Human Life International, a global Catholic group, maintains that anything that prevents implantation is an abortion-inducing agent. IUDs, they insist, cause “early abortions.” Students for Life of America likewise claims all forms of hormonal birth control, including IUDs and the Pill, are abortifacients.

Georgia Republican Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene went so far as to proclaim that Plan B emergency contraception “kills a baby in the womb once a woman is already pregnant” even though studies have shown the drug interferes with ovulation but does not inhibit implantation.

Greene isn’t the only Republican lawmaker blurring the lines. Colorado Rep. Lauren Boebert tried to block funds for “abortifacient contraceptive drugs,” while Montana Rep. Matt Rosendale tried adding emergency contraception to a bill barring use of the federal funding for abortion. In 2022, in perhaps one of the most glaring examples, Missouri Republicans pushed unsuccessfully to restrict public funding for IUDs and emergency contraception, with one of the state senators who led it proclaiming that “life begins at conception,” and “anything that destroys that life is abortion, it’s not birth control.”


Summary of Luciom's political theories:

1. Policies I agree with = state should be a neutral arbiter and enforce property rights.

2. Policies I disagree with: the right wing politicians should ban it all, jail those who think differently and kill all politicians dissenters.

Don't expect any other consistencies.


by jjjou812 P

Summary of Luciom's political theories:

1. Policies I agree with = state should be a neutral arbiter and enforce property rights.

2. Policies I disagree with: the right wing politicians should ban it all, jail those who think differently and kill all politicians dissenters.

Don't expect any other consistencies.

I disagree with a lot of stuff that I wouldn't apply 2) to.

Like public schools. Democracy should decide even if i would prefer fully private charter schools with no public option.

Same for a lot of other stuff.

But I understand I am far enough from your preferences that, like every single leftwing person alive does everytime he meets someone who has very different values, you need to demonize me


by spaceman Bryce P

from the article

You got it opposite.

These are freaks who consider birth control a kind of abortion.

I was discussing the fact that abortion isn't birth control.


I mean, of course abortion is birth control. Literally. Abortion is an act of controlling a birth; a woman decides she shouldn't bring forth a child and controls its birth to the point of ending it before it happens.

"Fully private charter schools with no public option" -- so, what happens to all the children of parents who can't afford private (inevitably for-profit) education? I mean, I know libertarians loathe and fear the poor, but damn!


by Luciom P

But I understand I am far enough from your preferences that, like every single leftwing person alive does everytime he meets someone who has very different values, you need to demonize me

Nobody needs to demonize you. You do a perfectly good job of doing that all by yourself. You are a demon.


by Karl_TheOG_Marx P

Nobody needs to demonize you. You do a perfectly good job of doing that all by yourself. You are a demon.

Charter schools are the great satan


by Karl_TheOG_Marx P

I mean, of course abortion is birth control. Literally. Abortion is an act of controlling a birth; a woman decides she shouldn't bring forth a child and controls its birth to the point of ending it before it happens.

"Fully private charter schools with no public option" -- so, what happens to all the children of parents who can't afford private (inevitably for-profit) education? I mean, I know libertarians loathe and fear the poor, but da

They go to charter schools with government vouchers.

Where education is better for less money than public schools (not hard to do a better job that those cesspits).

I am not against public funding of basic education, I am not an anarchist, nor an anarchocapitalist.


by Luciom P

They go to charter schools with government vouchers.

Where education is better for less money than public schools (not hard to do a better job that those cesspits).

I am not against public funding of basic education, I am not an anarchist, nor an anarchocapitalist.

There are approximately ten billion reasons why forcing all children into charter schools is an awful idea (not to mention the dissonance between "fully private" and "government vouchers"), but whatever, I'm just glad to learn you're not an AnCap, that's a rather pernicious form of cruel idiocy.

There's no point in this continuing this further ITT; obviously we've strayed far from the topic of "trans visibility", on which you are equally transphobic as your more strident libertarian friends.


by Karl_TheOG_Marx P

There are approximately ten billion reasons why forcing all children into charter schools is an awful idea (not to mention the dissonance between "fully private" and "government vouchers"), but whatever, I'm just glad to learn you're not an AnCap, that's a rather pernicious form of cruel idiocy.

There's no point in this continuing this further ITT; obviously we've strayed far from the topic of "trans visibility", on which you are equally t

forcing children in charter schools (giving them an option) is worse than forcing children in the public school of their neighborhood, which surely helps people in a ghetto


by Luciom P

I disagree with a lot of stuff that I wouldn't apply 2) to.

Like public schools. Democracy should decide even if i would prefer fully private charter schools with no public option.

Same for a lot of other stuff.

But I understand I am far enough from your preferences that, like every single leftwing person alive does everytime he meets someone who has very different values, you need to demonize me

Says the guy who is decrying the evils of the left wing/Marxist/liberal/democratic agenda across every thread this week.


charter schools are relevant for trans issues in schools: parents that disagree with trans activism could send children to schools where those issues are managed differently, and viceversa


by jjjou812 P

Says the guy who is decrying the evils of the left wing/Marxist/liberal/democratic agenda across every thread this week.

except that when the left does sensible things, I am never ashamed of saying that.

when Biden has a decent state of the union address I say that and so on


That is a giant concession...


by Trolly McTrollson P

"should vibrators be cleaned, is that a health issue?" asks an adult with strong opinions about sex ed.

do you actually believe i was not sure whether they should be cleaned?


by spaceman Bryce P

omg not nail polish!

yeah, lets focus on the nail polish and not the butt plugs, dildos and drag queens handing out candy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvLVJaKN...

full video of educational "expert" talking about his sex ed class playing with dildos, butt plugs etc.

"it's a really cool part of my job."

"i don't have to tell the parents."


by jjjou812 P

That is a giant concession...

I plauded the intelligence of Californian leadership to avoid jumping in the failed attempt to ban trump from the ballot , because they know the law.

I also like Biden and democrats' chip act and many other things weren't terrible at all.

Biden and democrat attempt to give money to ukraine, Israel and Taiwan is very very very welcome as well (by me)


by sublime P

yeah, lets focus on the nail polish and not the butt plugs, dildos and drag queens handing out candy.

we’ve been exposing american high school students to football for over 100 years : /


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